Origin of AIDs

Sep 09, 2008 10:41

So I saw this documentary called " The Origin of AIDS". It hypothesizes that AIDS was spread to humans by a polio vaccine given to the Congo in the late 50's. I posted about vaccines in general in another community using this documentary as a segway and got my ass handed to me. So I thought I'd see where blackfolk sit on this subject. Maybe its ( Read more... )

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There was a post/comment mercedes600 September 9 2008, 15:40:05 UTC
I made a comment in another post about the documentary. I believe that the polio vaccine theory is the best one thus far explaining the origin of AIDS. Got ur ass handed to you? What were the counter explanations to the polio vaccine theory? Is it something to do with the Cut Hunter Theory? Which I must confess I know nothing about.

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sarafinapekkala September 9 2008, 15:40:55 UTC
What was the reasoning behind the vaccine theory?

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sarafinapekkala September 9 2008, 16:13:45 UTC
*nods* That seems reasonable.

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Cut Hunter Theory mercedes600 September 9 2008, 15:42:09 UTC
"Most people believe that the origin of HIV, the AIDS virus, derives from some natural evolutionary event. Key among these HIV origin theories is the so called "cut hunter theory" in which a human, allegedly African native, received a bloody wound or infected splash while preparing a chimpanzee carrying a similar virus (i.e., SIVcpz). Most recent research, along with the scientific consensus, holds that the origin of HIV and AIDS could never have happened this way."

Ok that's fucking stupid and there is no evidence. At least the Polio Vaccine theory has some documentation.

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Re: Cut Hunter Theory espnchick1920 September 9 2008, 16:08:33 UTC
Please see my comment below...

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From a microbiologist's perspective... espnchick1920 September 9 2008, 16:07:43 UTC
It is quite plausible. The primate version of HIV is SIV (simian immunodeficiency virus). SIV and HIV are VERY similar to each other and both have the ability to mutate rapidly to survive in their enviroments (this is well known by anyone who has been on anti-HIV medicine for a considerable length of time but has to change regiments due to the development of drug resistance by their HIV). Humans can be INFECTED with SIV but they do not develop simian AIDS (or a human version of simian AIDS) because the virus can not complete its replicative cycle within human cells. The same is true of HIV within primates, and it is why there is only ONE species out of hundreds of species of monkeys that can serve as a proper animal model for HIV/AIDS research. Now, that being said, if SIV is consistently exposed to human cells, at some point over time, it will begin to mutate so that it CAN infect and complete its replicative cycle within humans. When it can do that, it has gone from being SIV to HIV ( ... )

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Re: From a microbiologist's perspective... espnchick1920 September 9 2008, 19:07:18 UTC
Awwww...thank you. You have NO idea how much I needed to hear something like that right now!!!

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Re: From a microbiologist's perspective... simplecity2htwn September 9 2008, 19:26:58 UTC
You have the very enviable gift of being able to explain technical concepts in simple terms. Normally you egghead microbiologists scientific professionals start talking to lay people and their eyes glaze over within seconds, but this is not the case with any of the explanations you've provided me.

I say all this to say that you should never let this talent go to waste.

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the skinny anima_i September 9 2008, 16:07:45 UTC
well, the idea , is that to make the vaccine you use monkey kidney tissue inject it with the disease and kill the disease with formaldehyde then inject it into the body. The vaccine worked well but they used local monkey tissue so when they got to Africa they used chimpanzee. Chimps carry the SIV, monkey version of AIDS. The scientific community says that they never used chips, that all the vaccine was shipped from somewhere else, they say that they tested an original sample of the vaccine and there was no virus, therefore this theory is incorrect. Well the movie disagrees. It has anecdotal evidence that chimps were used and it has the scientist who made the vaccine say that chips were used and then take it back later ( ... )

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Re: the skinny mercedes600 September 10 2008, 13:41:02 UTC
That's why the cut theory doesn't sit well with me. It's the savage African thing that I don't like.

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