Origin of AIDs
So I saw this documentary called " The Origin of AIDS". It hypothesizes that AIDS was spread to humans by a polio vaccine given to the Congo in the late 50's. I posted about vaccines in general in another community using this documentary as a segway and got my ass handed to me. So I thought I'd see where blackfolk sit on this subject. Maybe its
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Now, regarding the polio vaccine...it wasn't the vaccines in and of themselves (i.e. vaccine design). They did NOT use HIV/SIV as a template to make polio vaccines so let's get THAT part straight NOW. The polio virus and HIV do not have the same target cells and they do not have the same route of transmission. The two viruses aren't even in the same family and are similar only in that they are both viruses. Therefore, there was no nefarious doctor in the lab thinking up new ways to fuck over humanity for a profit. The polio virus was and is the template for the polio vaccine. HOWEVER, the polio vaccine (at least the most effective ones) are what we call "live attentuated." This means that the genes which directly cause the disease are removed but the rest of the virus is kept intact. When dispensed, it follows the natural route of infection (which is why a number of 40-50 year olds can attest to being giving sugar cubes in school when they were children...the sugar cubes held the vaccine). Because it is LIVE, it has to be "grown" in living cells (viruses can not replicate outside of living cells) and these cells are often monkey kidney cells. The prevailing theory is that in the Congo, the monkeys that were used were infected with SIV. As the virus was harvested, the SIV was introduced into humans and began to mutate, thus becoming HIV. Either that or there was already HIV present in the monkey kidney cells so that the patients were directly given HIV with the vaccine.
As a scientist, and specifically a microbiologist, I believe that this is completely possible, even likely. However, I believe that this happened in conjunction with the wars that were occuring around the same time that were driving people into the bush and forcing them to survive by any means necessary. The hunting and skinning of monkeys, some of whom could have had SIV, could have exposed the survivors to SIV which mutated over time to become HIV.
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I say all this to say that you should never let this talent go to waste.
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I mean...seriously...if you can figure out a way that I can use this talent more effectively (and get paid), PLEASE let me know. I feel like it is going to waste here and said talent (as often repeated by medical/dental/pharmacy students, in other words...students who actually are working towards some shit) is the reason I decided to become a professor in the first damn place...
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this is why i love blackfolk
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Question, I thought HIV/SIV could not live outside of the host. How do the viruses transfer in the tissue of a chimp from a perti dish to a vaccine and then a human subject?
Also are there any accounts of people having to survive on monkey meat, I would like to read up on that?
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Now regarding having to survive on whatever is present (including monkey meat), I can not recall written accounts off the top of my head. However, I have people speak about it when they discuss their times within the bush during civil war. The next time I come across a documentary in which they discuss this, I will be sure to write the name down JUST.FOR.YOU. You have to remember that when it comes to war (particularly civil war), one the easiest ways to oppress and control people is to control their food supply. Thus cattle and livestock are often killed off for and by the enemy. Farms are burned. Additionally, who the hell has time to cultivate land and livestock when you're in the middle of a CIVIL WAR??? Why is it INCREDIBLY far-fetched for you to believe that this is a possiblity?
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