Comments | bardicvoice: 6.12 Like A Virgin: It Was A New Day Yesterday, But It’s An Old Day Now

bardicvoice

6.12 Like A Virgin: It Was A New Day Yesterday, But It’s An Old Day Now

Feb 10, 2011 22:15

6.12 Like A Virgin: It Was A New Day Yesterday, But It’s An Old Day Now

Sam wakes as Dean’s bro
With no soulless memories.
Teamed, they hunt dragons.

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the_dean_team February 11 2011, 03:55:22 UTC

Great review, I like you research into the Bruncvik legend too. There were a lot of great moment in this episode.

The funniest thing to me personally was when I saw the Professor's Mansion... When Amanda & I went location hunting.

We actually came accross that mansion, where I saw my very first wild raccoons ever, playing in the front garden. I remember looking at the mansion & saying this looks like something they could use in Supernatural. Freakish coincidence!!!

bardicvoice February 11 2011, 04:08:08 UTC

That is a GREAT story about the mansion! I know I'm waiting for a few motels I drove past on my various location hunts to turn up someday, just because they looked like they'd work so very well on the show ... *grin*

Thanks for coming by and commenting!

chatchien February 11 2011, 04:08:19 UTC

The kidnapping and imprisoning virgins thing doesn’t withstand scrutiny, either. Why did they go after multiple virgins in the first place, when the very first girl they threw into the pit brought about the desired result, and were dragons always coveting virgins just in the hope of bringing back the Mother of All? Why were there at least two separate teams of dragons doing exactly the same thing in two different places, as evidenced by the last dragon turning up with his own stash of virgins oh-so-conveniently to replace the ones the escaping dragon had lost to the Winchesters?I agree with you. I didn't understand the Virgins, the Mother, and the Dragons thing either. I thought that the Mother would have preferred the body of a Mother. And a Virgin who becomes a Mother is no longer a Virgin, technically or otherwise. The Mother is the Fecund and Fertile symbol of Womanhood, she is in control of her own sexuality and her own productiveness. And if they are going for Virgins and Mothers, then where was the Crone? Let's complete this ( ... )

bardicvoice February 12 2011, 01:47:50 UTC

I'm withholding judgment on the Mother until we see what happens with her. But I was disappointed in the dragons.

You know, I disagree with you on Sam's primary reason for calling Bobby, and I wouldn't call him a hypocrite, either. Bobby couldn't see his face, and when Sam called him, Sam really did look stymied; the realization about sewers fitting the bill blossomed on his face during the call, and I think it was real. With Bobby on the phone, he pressed for information to explain why Bobby was acting so differently toward him, and that was the part of the call that truly made sense to me.

I agree that Sam is manipulative - just look at how he wormed the truth out of Castiel - but I wouldn't call him a hypocrite. I think in his current state, he just truly wants to know what he doesn't know, and by the end of this episode, he was very straight up about that. Just my take.

Thanks for coming and commenting!

erivar February 11 2011, 04:08:39 UTC

One thing that always bugs me ( ... )

bardicvoice February 12 2011, 02:03:12 UTC

I disagree with some aspects of your analysis, but I'm also not trying to pin responsibility for the collapse of Dean's relationship with Lisa solely on Sam. Sam, however, IS taking it solely on himself, and frankly, I do think soulless-Sam was principally responsible, because Dean's horribly skewed midnight visit would never have happened if Sam hadn't first deliberately let him be turned into a vampire and then neglected to let him know there was a cure. I'm planning to address this in much more detail in a new and very long Supernatural University session, which I hope you will attend, because I can't explain it all briefly enough to fit in a comment field ( ... )

erivar February 13 2011, 21:58:45 UTC

How much is Sam to blame for Dean's broken relationship? As I see it, there's not an easy answer. But while I see both yours and erivan's points I'm inclined to agree with her. I'm not trying to diminish RoboSam's ugly deeds. That he put Dean in that situation is beyond discussion. However, even so Dean still had his judgement intact and he should have known that going to Lisa in such a condition was ill-advised.

Anyways, I don't want to advance the Unforgiven discussion (which I'm looking forward to)but it seems Sam is between a rock and a hard place. If he tries to make amends he'll collapse under Hell memories; if he doesn't try, he'll be forever be haunted by what his soulless version did. Can't the boy have a break? It's a weird reward for the sacrifice he made.

Thank you for another insightful review.

Andrea

phyllis2779 February 11 2011, 06:03:31 UTC

I always find your reviews very incisive and insightful. You always make me see things about the episode that I might not have, even on a second viewing. You're right that the human dynamics were the strongest part of this episode. I think the humor aspects were also strong. But you're right that the dragon/virgin storyline leaves a lot of questions.e/g/, why take out one page and leave the book behind. Hopefully, some of these questions will be answered in future episodes, or not, because SPN always leaves a lot of plot holes behind. And as Kripke, no I mean Chuck once said, the fans are always picking at the holes.

bardicvoice February 13 2011, 00:41:18 UTC

Thanks for coming and commenting!

Heh, I'm reminded that, when Kripke spoke at the very first LA con, he chuckled about how much he - being a fanboy - hated holes and loose threads, but couldn't always tie them up. Made me grin ...

purplehrdwonder February 11 2011, 06:44:40 UTC

[B]ut whenever he was hopped up on demon blood, his inhibitions were crushed and the dissenting voice of his conscience became nothing more than a chirping cricket. Every time we saw him experiencing the power rush high of demon blood, he was obviously feeling no emotional or spiritual pain on account of what he was doing at the time he was doing it. That was, in a way, a foretaste of his experience being soulless, freed from pain, fear, and the confusion of conflicting emotions, able simply to pursue his goal of the moment with no thought for consequences.Huh. I found this particular comparison fascinating. It wasn't something that had even occurred to me but it makes a lot of sense, both from a writing standpoint and for Bobby to (likely unconsciously) have those memories gnawing at the back of his mind. Something like that probably occurred to Sam in that brief moment after he realizes he'd been walking around without a soul--with the look on his face, I was sure all kinds of possibilities of what he could have done ran through his ( ... )

bardicvoice February 13 2011, 00:44:34 UTC

Something on the production side I was surprised not to see mentioned was the Impala scene! The camera angles made us feel like we were sitting in the backseat with the boys. And there was just something about the lighting in that scene that gave it a different feel. It definitely stood out for me; I really, really liked it.

THANK YOU for mentioning that! The only bad thing about doing these commentaries is that I ALWAYS manage to forget a few things I had meant to mention, and the cinematography, lighting, and direction of the scene in the car was one of them. I LOVED everything about this scene, and kick myself for forgetting to address it!

Thanks for everything!