VM 3.08 'Lord of the Pi's' L/V Thoughts

[arabian]

Here is my new batch of analysis for the Logan/Veronica scenes in the last episode as seen (or will be seen) in The LoVe Shack Breakdowns.

Comments

[polarthestral]

Since these scenes were the only part of the episode I enjoyed, I really liked reading your analysis of them. I don't agree with absolutely everything but it is a well supported argument and I do agree that I could mostly see the perspective of both sides (including Veronica not answering the phone because she had no idea Logan was watching and many people do that when they're annoyed with their partner

[arabian]

I agree completely about everything you wrote. Just because I understood, just because I got the motivation doesn't mean I didn't hate it; I did. It's just so nice seeing actually motivation from both of them that I can't not enjoy it.

And I really do believe that Veronica loves him -- I just think (and this sounds awful, but I think it's true) that she needs to really and truly believe she's completely lost him before she'll get it. She just takes him so completely for granted.

I don't know -- again, I get the motivation, so I'm happy about that, but I still hate that Rob Thomas is even going here, but then again, for all we know it may be necessary. It may be the only way he can figure out how to deal with Kristen Bell's biased against Logan and LoVe. Who knows? I just know it's simply not fun being a LoVe fan. Of course, it hasn't been fun since season one.

[sweetumms33]

I really felt like this scene, the way the camera withdrew and he became so still and contemplative . . . it looked so much like what I imagined Logan must have looked like while watching Lilly move on without him at the carwash.Totally agree. This was Logan finally jumping ship. I think on some level, Logan is used to being abused. He's never had a healthy relationship with anyone, as far as we can see. She said yes about loving him, but lied about it being okay. As the viewer we get it, but being in his position, I can completely understand why he believed she lied about both. The scene in the Neptune Grand is so great because you can see how well Logan knows Veronica, knows how her mind works, and just takes it. For my part, I was suprised at how little Veronica knew him. The minute he snapped at Keith and walked out, I knew he wasn't just going to let it go, and just hope to be around to save the day again

[arabian]

Yup, I agree with Belinda too. Poor, woobie Logan!

I have to disagree, yeah he was invading her space, but on second viewing, there was nothing else he could do. Wallace, Mac and everyone else in her life are the passive to Veronica's agressive.

I agree -- but we needed to know that Logan tried all of those routes before he went all caveman on Veronica's ass. It wasn't justified without taking other steps first and judging from Keith's reaction to Logan's yelling and Wallace's lack of, Logan hadn't even tried yet.

They never get involved, they never yell, they follow. Only Keith and Logan call her on her shit, and to Logan, it was pretty evident that Keith was backing off. I feel like Logan saw it as his only option, the only thing he could do.

In the end probably, but he handled it badly. He was extremely high-handed and disrespectful. Was he right? Yeah. But he handled it badly.

There's no one else to control her, and yeah that sounds controlling, but in so many ways Veronica does need to be controlled. And in the

[afrocurl]

You don't know how much I enjoy reading these each week.

I understand your points about character motivation, but it doesn't stop these scenes from breaking my heart. The last one just about killed me dead, and considering I was in someone else's house after a two hours drive, I didn't need that emotional baggage.

At this point, I would love nothing more than to know that LV spend more time together in scenes we aren't seeing, because the character motivation is hard to get at otherwise (unless I'm just not spending enough time watching the episodes.)

Poor Logan is right. I can't tell if I should look forward to next week at all or not.

[arabian]

You don't know how much I enjoy reading these each week.

Aww, thank you so much! :)

I understand your points about character motivation, but it doesn't stop these scenes from breaking my heart.

Oh, agreed and that's why I added the bit about the cerebral vs. the emotional. If I only hit emotional, I'd be ranting and weeping with much gnashing of teeth.

The last one just about killed me dead, and considering I was in someone else's house after a two hours drive, I didn't need that emotional baggage.

Yeah, I really can't think about it, can't watch it (and I haven't really watched it much) without just wanting to cry ... so, so very painful. Just heart-wrenching.

At this point, I would love nothing more than to know that LV spend more time together in scenes we aren't seeing, because the character motivation is hard to get at otherwise (unless I'm just not spending enough time watching the episodes.)No, you're right. It's not like I just watch it and there it is, I need to look for it, but this week was less than most and at

[change_of_fate]

Well I liked how you explained the motivation behind each characters actions in those three scenes....it helps me think more about what is really goin on and what is going to happpen!

[arabian]

Well, I'm glad you feel that ... it's nice knowing that these are helping some viewers. I certainly spend enough time on them, LOL!

[jacedesbff]

You know, lately I have been avoiding people's episode recaps b/c they seem to be coming from the POV of people beginning to hate the show/Veronica/the world as we know it, etc. This, though, *this* was beautiful. Really. :-) Well thought-out and reasoned from both the heart and the mind. So thank you first of all for the outstanding commentary and secondly, for it being obvious that you love the show. Wonderful observations. :-)

...poor Logan.

[arabian]

You know, lately I have been avoiding people's episode recaps b/c they seem to be coming from the POV of people beginning to hate the show/Veronica/the world as we know it, etc.

Yeah, me too. Sigh. Okay, wait, I was really, really frustrated with Veronica last week, but this week in regards to LoVe, I got where she was coming from (even if it was paiful).

This, though, *this* was beautiful. Really. :-) Well thought-out and reasoned from both the heart and the mind. So thank you first of all for the outstanding commentary and secondly,

Aww, thank you.

for it being obvious that you love the show. Wonderful observations. :-)

Well, I don't love the show anymore, but the thing is that I still very, very desperately want to. And I still very very much want to love Veronica. So every time they give me something to hang a star upon, I'm going to grab it because I still think the foundation and potential is so THERE!!!!

...poor Logan.

Sigh, yes, poor, poor woobie Logan.

[jadis17]

Word.
On review I am thinking that Veronica's attitude this season is a specific and brave character choice. I only hope they can pay it off.

Rather like Duncan's non-persona in season 1. His sister died and he dealt by shutting down. I don't really think we saw much of what Duncan was like before Lily died until season 2, that's a long time to wait for a characters emotional equilibrium to return. It's real, and I love it, but it's a risky move while you wait for the point at which you see the tide turn.

I'm tired so I hope this makes sense. In any case I love your review and I say you nailed much of the emotions behind the scenes. good job.

[arabian]

On review I am thinking that Veronica's attitude this season is a specific and brave character choice. I only hope they can pay it off.

I agree. Hopefully, there WILL be a payoff this time. I do believe the "normal" was supposed to be a choice with the payoff being that that wasn't her, but for whatever reason that fell through. Hopefully the same won't happen this year.

Rather like Duncan's non-persona in season 1. His sister died and he dealt by shutting down. I don't really think we saw much of what Duncan was like before Lily died until season 2, that's a long time to wait for a characters emotional equilibrium to return. It's real, and I love it, but it's a risky move while you wait for the point at which you see the tide turn.

Yuppers!!!

I'm tired so I hope this makes sense. In any case I love your review and I say you nailed much of the emotions behind the scenes. good job.

It does and thank you. I appreciate the comment! :D