VM 3.08 'Lord of the Pi's' L/V Thoughts
Here is my new batch of analysis for the Logan/Veronica scenes in the last episode as seen (or will be seen) in The LoVe Shack Breakdowns.
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Totally agree. This was Logan finally jumping ship. I think on some level, Logan is used to being abused. He's never had a healthy relationship with anyone, as far as we can see. She said yes about loving him, but lied about it being okay. As the viewer we get it, but being in his position, I can completely understand why he believed she lied about both. The scene in the Neptune Grand is so great because you can see how well Logan knows Veronica, knows how her mind works, and just takes it. For my part, I was suprised at how little Veronica knew him. The minute he snapped at Keith and walked out, I knew he wasn't just going to let it go, and just hope to be around to save the day again.
I have to disagree, yeah he was invading her space, but on second viewing, there was nothing else he could do. Wallace, Mac and everyone else in her life are the passive to Veronica's agressive. They never get involved, they never yell, they follow. Only Keith and Logan call her on her shit, and to Logan, it was pretty evident that Keith was backing off. I feel like Logan saw it as his only option, the only thing he could do. There's no one else to control her, and yeah that sounds controlling, but in so many ways Veronica does need to be controlled. And in the past Keith has done that.
Jason Dohring can do more with the twitch of a hand, and blinking than most actors can do with an entire movie. The end had me reaching out for him and just wanting to hold him. Poor Logan.
This was an amazing cover, you hit a lot of points!
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I have to disagree, yeah he was invading her space, but on second viewing, there was nothing else he could do. Wallace, Mac and everyone else in her life are the passive to Veronica's agressive.
I agree -- but we needed to know that Logan tried all of those routes before he went all caveman on Veronica's ass. It wasn't justified without taking other steps first and judging from Keith's reaction to Logan's yelling and Wallace's lack of, Logan hadn't even tried yet.
They never get involved, they never yell, they follow. Only Keith and Logan call her on her shit, and to Logan, it was pretty evident that Keith was backing off. I feel like Logan saw it as his only option, the only thing he could do.
In the end probably, but he handled it badly. He was extremely high-handed and disrespectful. Was he right? Yeah. But he handled it badly.
There's no one else to control her, and yeah that sounds controlling, but in so many ways Veronica does need to be controlled. And in the past Keith has done that.
She does need to be controlled, but not by her boyfriend. And by Logan just stepping in like he thought he had the right to do so was wrong.
Jason Dohring can do more with the twitch of a hand, and blinking than most actors can do with an entire movie. The end had me reaching out for him and just wanting to hold him. Poor Logan.
I KNOW!!!
This was an amazing cover, you hit a lot of points!
Thank you!
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But I really got the feeling Logan's hands were tied here. He couldn't go to Wallace, because Veronica would treat Wallace's concern in the same manner that she treated Logan's, and if they tried to be sneaky and just make sure that someone was there with her to keep her safe, she would know what's up in a heartbeat and rebel. And someone couldn't be there all the time, anyway.
And he couldn't tell Keith everything he knew, because Veronica made it clear that she didn't want that. Logan knew that if Keith was in the loop, he would be doing everything he could to protect her. But he's not and Logan is, and so I think Logan felt a lot of responsibility to make sure she was safe. He knew if he went to Keith with the complete truth, Veronica would never forgive him for that. And Veronica was continuing to evade him and telling him to piss off, yadda, yadda, so he probably felt like he had no other choice but to hire someone to keep her safe. I think he knows Veronica well enough to know that if he had asked her, "Hey, I'm really concerned about your safety and I want to hire someone to protect you," she would have just balked at the mere idea. The point, one that I think they've been building up to for most of the series, is that Veronica does think she's invincible and ultimately right in everything she does. I'm so glad Logan called her on that. It just proved how well he knows her. I think in a lot of ways, he knows her better than anyone, including Keith.
The part about him demanding she drop the rape case, I agree with. I hated his choice of words and the way he seemed to want to control her. But I still get where he's coming from, because just seconds before he enters their house, we hear about how she's still not taking his calls. Veronica seems a bit annoyed that he's showed up when all she wants to do is go off on another assignment and forget some more about what almost happened to her. Logan keeps telling her that they need to have a talk, and has been telling her that for awhile, and she's blown it off. I think Logan would have taken a better approach initially, but he saw her once again ready to run off somewhere rather than try and hear out his fears, and he just lost it. Every moment she's out there doing what she does is a moment he's terrified for her safety, and I don't think he could take it anymore. So what may have once been a rehearsed speech about why he thinks she should drop the case has turned into an angry demand. In addition to the incredible acting Jason does at the end of the episode, (hell, the entire episode) I really loved his choices here. He comes to her, calm and wanting to talk. She's ready to take off again. He gets impatient and says he'll make it quick, and gets straight to the point with all of his concerns. His tone and word choice here isn't so demanding yet, but more of a plea with reasoning. "I want you to stay away from the rape case. K, just let it go. It's clear the rapist knows who you are.." And then Veronica tries to hush him, because her dad is really in the dark here and she wants to keep it that way. Logan knows that's not smart, but she won't have it. And that's where I think he's resigned himself to being the only one who can keep her safe here, and he doesn't care what it costs. He's angry and his tone starts to change. I love his line about her putting her nose where it doesn't belong, because that's such a knee-jerk reaction to being afraid for her safety. His voice slowly starts to raise until she says he's pissing her off, and he loses it. He no longer cares if she's annoyed with him, or angry with him, or whatever. Her safety is his only concern.
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I think the thing that pushed me more onto Logan's side of the argument here (in addition to that painful to look at, I can't watch it again FACE at the end) is that he once again proved to me why he's my favorite character. Here's this guy who is constantly being described as a fuck up, who's supposed to be so immature and assholish, but he's showing once again just how smart and dedicated he is. He knew what he did was wrong, but it didn't matter because he only cared about her being protected. He loves her more than anything, and she's the only person he really has left in his life, and he was willing to risk alienating her or even losing her just to keep her safe. That's love to me. That's a mature love to me. He's strong and knows when to stand up for himself, and he's just so aware of everything that's going on. I love that awareness. I think it's one of the things that sets him apart from Veronica, because no matter how smart she is and good at what she does, when it comes down to it, she just can't read people and situations like Logan can when it counts.
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I know that it wouldn't have worked, but we needed to see that he at least made the attempt. It was like caring, understanding boyfriend and then bam caveman, you do what I say when I say it now. It was just so very much the wrong approach.
And he couldn't tell Keith everything he knew, because Veronica made it clear that she didn't want that.
He knew that only after ordering Veronica around. He could have talked to Keith and mentioned it, not realizing or thinking for a second that Keith wouldn't have known.
Logan knew that if Keith was in the loop, he would be doing everything he could to protect her.
No, he didn't, because he was surprised that Keith didn't know about the hair.
But he's not and Logan is, and so I think Logan felt a lot of responsibility to make sure she was safe. He knew if he went to Keith with the complete truth, Veronica would never forgive him for that. And Veronica was continuing to evade him and telling him to piss off, yadda, yadda, so he probably felt like he had no other choice but to hire someone to keep her safe. I think he knows Veronica well enough to know that if he had asked her, "Hey, I'm really concerned about your safety and I want to hire someone to protect you," she would have just balked at the mere idea.
Right, but this is all stuff that he would have known AFTER the first scene. He didn't know before that conversation that Keith was out of the loop, he didn't know that Keith wasn't keeping her safe, he didn't know any of that. He just barged in and ordered her around, it was during this conversation that he found out Keith wasn't part of the equation.
I get and agree with the bodyguard hiring (although he SHOULD have told her), but not this scene. He should have talked to Keith first. That was where he screwed up.
The point, one that I think they've been building up to for most of the series, is that Veronica does think she's invincible and ultimately right in everything she does. I'm so glad Logan called her on that. It just proved how well he knows her. I think in a lot of ways, he knows her better than anyone, including Keith.
Right, I agree with this completely.
The part about him demanding she drop the rape case, I agree with. I hated his choice of words and the way he seemed to want to control her. But I still get where he's coming from, because just seconds before he enters their house, we hear about how she's still not taking his calls.
Right, and that's what I wrote. I agree with him, everything that was said NEEDED TO BE SAID, but it was how he approached it that was so very wrong.
So what may have once been a rehearsed speech about why he thinks she should drop the case has turned into an angry demand. In addition to the incredible acting Jason does at the end of the episode, (hell, the entire episode) I really loved his choices here.
I see where you're coming, I see where Logan was coming from and as I said, Veronica PUSHED him into doing this, but it doesn't make it right how he did it. Just like understanding where she's coming from doesn't make her actions right.
I agree with everything you wrote about Logan in your second post. Even if he didn't handle it correctly, unlike Veronica, his mistakes are born out of love, not running away from it.
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