VM 3.08 'Lord of the Pi's' L/V Thoughts

[arabian]

Here is my new batch of analysis for the Logan/Veronica scenes in the last episode as seen (or will be seen) in The LoVe Shack Breakdowns.

Comments

[polarthestral]

Since these scenes were the only part of the episode I enjoyed, I really liked reading your analysis of them. I don't agree with absolutely everything but it is a well supported argument and I do agree that I could mostly see the perspective of both sides (including Veronica not answering the phone because she had no idea Logan was watching and many people do that when they're annoyed with their partner

[arabian]

I agree completely about everything you wrote. Just because I understood, just because I got the motivation doesn't mean I didn't hate it; I did. It's just so nice seeing actually motivation from both of them that I can't not enjoy it.

And I really do believe that Veronica loves him -- I just think (and this sounds awful, but I think it's true) that she needs to really and truly believe she's completely lost him before she'll get it. She just takes him so completely for granted.

I don't know -- again, I get the motivation, so I'm happy about that, but I still hate that Rob Thomas is even going here, but then again, for all we know it may be necessary. It may be the only way he can figure out how to deal with Kristen Bell's biased against Logan and LoVe. Who knows? I just know it's simply not fun being a LoVe fan. Of course, it hasn't been fun since season one.

[sweetumms33]

I really felt like this scene, the way the camera withdrew and he became so still and contemplative . . . it looked so much like what I imagined Logan must have looked like while watching Lilly move on without him at the carwash.Totally agree. This was Logan finally jumping ship. I think on some level, Logan is used to being abused. He's never had a healthy relationship with anyone, as far as we can see. She said yes about loving him, but lied about it being okay. As the viewer we get it, but being in his position, I can completely understand why he believed she lied about both. The scene in the Neptune Grand is so great because you can see how well Logan knows Veronica, knows how her mind works, and just takes it. For my part, I was suprised at how little Veronica knew him. The minute he snapped at Keith and walked out, I knew he wasn't just going to let it go, and just hope to be around to save the day again

[arabian]

Yup, I agree with Belinda too. Poor, woobie Logan!

I have to disagree, yeah he was invading her space, but on second viewing, there was nothing else he could do. Wallace, Mac and everyone else in her life are the passive to Veronica's agressive.

I agree -- but we needed to know that Logan tried all of those routes before he went all caveman on Veronica's ass. It wasn't justified without taking other steps first and judging from Keith's reaction to Logan's yelling and Wallace's lack of, Logan hadn't even tried yet.

They never get involved, they never yell, they follow. Only Keith and Logan call her on her shit, and to Logan, it was pretty evident that Keith was backing off. I feel like Logan saw it as his only option, the only thing he could do.

In the end probably, but he handled it badly. He was extremely high-handed and disrespectful. Was he right? Yeah. But he handled it badly.

There's no one else to control her, and yeah that sounds controlling, but in so many ways Veronica does need to be controlled. And in the

[annie_oakley]

I agree -- but we needed to know that Logan tried all of those routes before he went all caveman on Veronica's ass. It wasn't justified without taking other steps first and judging from Keith's reaction to Logan's yelling and Wallace's lack of, Logan hadn't even tried yet.
But I really got the feeling Logan's hands were tied here. He couldn't go to Wallace, because Veronica would treat Wallace's concern in the same manner that she treated Logan's, and if they tried to be sneaky and just make sure that someone was there with her to keep her safe, she would know what's up in a heartbeat and rebel. And someone couldn't be there all the time, anyway

[annie_oakley]

And I just wanted to add one more thing:
I think the thing that pushed me more onto Logan's side of the argument here (in addition to that painful to look at, I can't watch it again FACE at the end) is that he once again proved to me why he's my favorite character. Here's this guy who is constantly being described as a fuck up, who's supposed to be so immature and assholish, but he's showing once again just how smart and dedicated he is. He knew what he did was wrong, but it didn't matter because he only cared about her being protected. He loves her more than anything, and she's the only person he really has left in his life, and he was willing to risk alienating her or even losing her just to keep her safe. That's love to me. That's a mature love to me. He's strong and knows when to stand up for himself, and he's just so aware of everything that's going on. I love that awareness. I think it's one of the things that sets him apart from Veronica, because no matter how smart she is and good at what she does, when it comes down

[arabian]

I really got the feeling Logan's hands were tied here. He couldn't go to Wallace, because Veronica would treat Wallace's concern in the same manner that she treated Logan's, and if they tried to be sneaky and just make sure that someone was there with her to keep her safe, she would know what's up in a heartbeat and rebel. And someone couldn't be there all the time, anyway.

I know that it wouldn't have worked, but we needed to see that he at least made the attempt. It was like caring, understanding boyfriend and then bam caveman, you do what I say when I say it now. It was just so very much the wrong approach.

And he couldn't tell Keith everything he knew, because Veronica made it clear that she didn't want that.

He knew that only after ordering Veronica around. He could have talked to Keith and mentioned it, not realizing or thinking for a second that Keith wouldn't have known.

Logan knew that if Keith was in the loop, he would be doing everything he could to protect her. No, he didn't, because he was surprised that Keith