So rewatched the premiere and I haz thoughts! (If you missed my post based on my first-run through, you can find it here. FYI: There were some fabulous comments from my flist in the thread.)
Finally, the phone call. Dun dun dun. So, I'm still not pleased about it because it played so much as if it was going to flow into a Damon/Stefan moment. I actually figured out how it would have worked for me: If they had just had him pull out the phone, pull up Damon's number, look at it and then exit out of the number, start to put the phone away, hesitate and THEN cut to Elena, that would have worked completely. Ah well.
I think that would have made me feel a lot better about the flow of the episode.
...not better about Andie dying for nothing though.
Damon and Elena show such a deep willingness to share personal space. And I agree with you that I don't think Elena realizes what she's doing. I think if Stefan had seen how intimate D/E were being, he would have gone all jealousy-face on Elena and required her to reassure him a dozen or so times of her love for him.
I think that would have made me feel a lot better about the flow of the episode.
Yeah, I just think that would have worked so much better. We would have had that moment with Damon and Stefan which it so appeared to be leading up to, and then him not dialing, before turning to Elena would have made perfect sense without being whiplash-y. Totally in character for Stefan to be in pain over something and selfishly turn to someone he shouldn't to make him feel better. Oh, Stefan.
...not better about Andie dying for nothing though.
Agreed; I really am hoping that does come up, even if it's just a snarky comment from Damon. ("Way to make a point you're so grandly making not stick.")
Damon and Elena show such a deep willingness to share personal space. And I agree with you that I don't think Elena realizes what she's doing. I think if Stefan had seen how intimate D/E were being, he would have gone all jealousy-face on Elena and required her to reassure him a dozen or so times of her love for him.Hahah! Oh, man, he so, so would have.
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I think Damon will definitely be brought into the Caroline kidnapping because besides her needing to be saved, a vampire disappearing = someone is in the know, so some damage control has to be administered.
hat will Tyler do? Is this his chance to make up for the HORRIBLE way he reacted to her kidnapping and torture last season?
Goodness, I hope so. This season seems to be a "second chances" season, isn't it, with Damon being given the opportunity not to walk out on Stefan's ripper tear this time around, and now Tyler getting another shot to stand up for Caroline.
But, she's eighteen now, no problem. She can handle running a household, taking care of her drugged-up once again younger brother, going to school, getting ready for her adult life, on top of all of the supernatural crazy that surrounds her life. She doesn't need an adult around at all. Especially one who KNOWS ALL THE SHIT THAT IS GOING ON! Especially one who loves her and her brother like they were his family. No, not at all.Ugh, I have so many problems with the way he
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I think Damon will definitely be brought into the Caroline kidnapping because besides her needing to be saved, a vampire disappearing = someone is in the know, so some damage control has to be administered.
Damn, I love Damon in damage control-mode. Can't wait. And I love when we get glimpses that Damon has grown to care for Caroline. Awww. (Yes, like the show, I'm just choosing to pretty much ignore the early start of their relationship. She threw his ass across a hallway and told him he sucked, uhm, okay then, bygones.)
This season seems to be a "second chances" season, isn't it, with Damon being given the opportunity not to walk out on Stefan's ripper tear this time around, and now Tyler getting another shot to stand up for Caroline.
I do hope he does, even if I doubt anything can turn me onto shipping these two at this point, but it certainly is something that should be addressed and made up for.
Ugh, I have so many problems with the way he walked out and this particular line, and I also talked about it in my review. It's
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Damn, I love Damon in damage control-mode. Can't wait. And I love when we get glimpses that Damon has grown to care for Caroline. Awww.
Yeah, it does seem like Tyler's confession to his mother won't be enough to save Caroline, so whom do people turn to in times of crisis? Damon. I hope this time won't be any different!
She threw his ass across a hallway and told him he sucked, uhm, okay then, bygones.
According to Jeremy, the memories of the compelled go away, but feelings don't, so she probably stayed really upset at him all the time and couldn't point out WHY EXACTLY. For all intents & purposes, Caroline's turning into a vampire, remembering everything and calling Damon out on his behaviour did wonders for their relationship!
I agree completely, and I do hope he realizes it. Part of the problem, I totally do get, is that he is just about as messed up as these kids at this point, but, damnit, Alaric, they are KIDS!HEE. Elena fulfilled John's wish after all and got herself a surrogate kid to offer the ring to (and parent in times
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On a very random but slightly related side note, when Stefan called Elena his name didn't appear in her caller display meaning that he either got a new phone or she deleted him from her contact list.
I don't think for a second that Elena deleted his number; a new phone for sure, or new number. Otherwise, everyone in MF would be calling him.
[QUOTE]"there was a LOT of strong Damon/Elena subtext in this episode ... and all of it was promising, as opposed to the foreboding that accompanied the Stefan/Elena subtext. Yeah![/ENDQUOTE]"
My thoughts exactly(!)
Nice to know that I wasn't the only one who saw that. :)
I agree with [info]modbelle's take on the SE phone call - which is why I'm kinda baffled as to why a lot of the SE shippers are looking at it as romantic??
His stalking and constant lying,and her brushing it aside, their head-in-the-sand attitude with one another, are romantic and no problem to them, so yeah, this doesn't surprise me at all. On the other hand, they've had odes to S/E handed to them from the writers from day one, so if only looking at the surface and things play out as we suspect, they very well may experience whiplash.
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I think that would have made me feel a lot better about the flow of the episode.
...not better about Andie dying for nothing though.
Damon and Elena show such a deep willingness to share personal space. And I agree with you that I don't think Elena realizes what she's doing. I think if Stefan had seen how intimate D/E were being, he would have gone all jealousy-face on Elena and required her to reassure him a dozen or so times of her love for him.
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Yeah, I just think that would have worked so much better. We would have had that moment with Damon and Stefan which it so appeared to be leading up to, and then him not dialing, before turning to Elena would have made perfect sense without being whiplash-y. Totally in character for Stefan to be in pain over something and selfishly turn to someone he shouldn't to make him feel better. Oh, Stefan.
...not better about Andie dying for nothing though.
Agreed; I really am hoping that does come up, even if it's just a snarky comment from Damon. ("Way to make a point you're so grandly making not stick.")
Damon and Elena show such a deep willingness to share personal space. And I agree with you that I don't think Elena realizes what she's doing. I think if Stefan had seen how intimate D/E were being, he would have gone all jealousy-face on Elena and required her to reassure him a dozen or so times of her love for him.Hahah! Oh, man, he so, so would have. ( ... )
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hat will Tyler do? Is this his chance to make up for the HORRIBLE way he reacted to her kidnapping and torture last season?
Goodness, I hope so. This season seems to be a "second chances" season, isn't it, with Damon being given the opportunity not to walk out on Stefan's ripper tear this time around, and now Tyler getting another shot to stand up for Caroline.
But, she's eighteen now, no problem. She can handle running a household, taking care of her drugged-up once again younger brother, going to school, getting ready for her adult life, on top of all of the supernatural crazy that surrounds her life. She doesn't need an adult around at all. Especially one who KNOWS ALL THE SHIT THAT IS GOING ON! Especially one who loves her and her brother like they were his family. No, not at all.Ugh, I have so many problems with the way he ( ... )
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Damn, I love Damon in damage control-mode. Can't wait. And I love when we get glimpses that Damon has grown to care for Caroline. Awww. (Yes, like the show, I'm just choosing to pretty much ignore the early start of their relationship. She threw his ass across a hallway and told him he sucked, uhm, okay then, bygones.)
This season seems to be a "second chances" season, isn't it, with Damon being given the opportunity not to walk out on Stefan's ripper tear this time around, and now Tyler getting another shot to stand up for Caroline.
I do hope he does, even if I doubt anything can turn me onto shipping these two at this point, but it certainly is something that should be addressed and made up for.
Ugh, I have so many problems with the way he walked out and this particular line, and I also talked about it in my review. It's ( ... )
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Yeah, it does seem like Tyler's confession to his mother won't be enough to save Caroline, so whom do people turn to in times of crisis? Damon. I hope this time won't be any different!
She threw his ass across a hallway and told him he sucked, uhm, okay then, bygones.
According to Jeremy, the memories of the compelled go away, but feelings don't, so she probably stayed really upset at him all the time and couldn't point out WHY EXACTLY. For all intents & purposes, Caroline's turning into a vampire, remembering everything and calling Damon out on his behaviour did wonders for their relationship!
I agree completely, and I do hope he realizes it. Part of the problem, I totally do get, is that he is just about as messed up as these kids at this point, but, damnit, Alaric, they are KIDS!HEE. Elena fulfilled John's wish after all and got herself a surrogate kid to offer the ring to (and parent in times ( ... )
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I don't think for a second that Elena deleted his number; a new phone for sure, or new number. Otherwise, everyone in MF would be calling him.
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My thoughts exactly(!)
Nice to know that I wasn't the only one who saw that. :)
I agree with [info]modbelle's take on the SE phone call - which is why I'm kinda baffled as to why a lot of the SE shippers are looking at it as romantic??
His stalking and constant lying,and her brushing it aside, their head-in-the-sand attitude with one another, are romantic and no problem to them, so yeah, this doesn't surprise me at all. On the other hand, they've had odes to S/E handed to them from the writers from day one, so if only looking at the surface and things play out as we suspect, they very well may experience whiplash.
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