HOLD ON I THINK I SEE A BANDWAGON. *leaps on*

[apiphile]

So I hear Morrissey opened his mouth again. This is never a good thing. He has this awful tendency to spew awful bigoted stupid crap that embarrasses his fans and generally make an arse of himself and make everyone wish he'd just be quiet

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[rhosyndu]

he was a quarrelsome pigheaded trouble-making fuck who behaved like an arsehole.
I still love his art.
It's a very odd fashion on the interweb for this 'I cannot enjoy the good thing made by the bad person' opinion; it's like, idk, saying that someone ought'nt to have a uniform fetish if they're a pacifist. (Isn't that one of the best things about art galleries? That if the artist were still alive and showed up today they wouldn't be allowed in because they're always drunk and whoring?) Eh, I wish more people would just let themselves enjoy a thing as it is. But then I would say that, seeing as I'm bemused by poetry and find people who enjoy the analysing and consmextual wankery suspicious.

[apiphile]

See, I adore poetry but I adore it at the level of THIS IS EPIC ART MADE OF WORDS WOOO level rather than "let me spend a million years trying to figure out whether or not the author fucked little girls", on account of how art != artist, blah blah. [No, this is not self-serving crap where I'm determined people have to like mine and ignore the fact I'm an arsehole... really.]

it's like, idk, saying that someone ought'nt to have a uniform fetish if they're a pacifist.

I HAVE ACTUALLY HAD THIS ARGUMENT.

[rhosyndu]

*shrugs* I'm all for liking people and hating their bastard poetry, tbh, so, er, reverse judgement, woo?

*blink blink* Because UR DOING YOUR FETISH WRONG?

[apiphile]

Because I am being insensitive to the suffering of millions around the world because I appreciate military tailoring and shiny black leather riding boots. And I suspect these people have a fetish for righteousness. *cough*

[miscellanny]

*points at icon*

[apiphile]

And you have a fabulous pair yourself AS YOU ARE WELL AWARE because I won't stop honking them. EVER. You will be 80 with boobs around your ANKLES and I will still honk them. I imagine by then they will make a noise like a sad trombone.

AHAHAAH just cracked myself up with that.

[miscellanny]

Me too I nearly weed

[apiphile]

*solemn HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONKsobsobsob HOOOOOOOOOOOONK-ing*

[luinar]

("well you can't just excuse people just because it was normal for the time" / "I'm not excusing it, I'm contextualising it; the reason there was no outcry over X was because it was normal" / "that doesn't make it acceptable for you to like it" / "really? But it's beautiful" / "it's misogynist! IF YOU LIKE IT YOU ARE A BAD PERSON" / "AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT YOU HAVE THE AESTHETIC SENSIBILITIES OF A STONE" / "I can't be friends with someone who DOESN'T CARE ABOUT MISOGYNY IN ART" / "I can't be friends with someone who won't stop yelling every five fucking minutes")

I think ILU. This reminds me of every racefail/privilege wank I've ever been party to. FOR FUCK SAKE. IF THERE WAS NO MISOGYNY IN ART THEN I WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THE CHANCE TO OGLE MANET'S ODALISQUE'S PEACHY BOOBIES AND THAT WOULD MAKE ME A SAD LITTLE PANDA.

I want to be a good person, I really do... but that sort of shit makes me want to club baby seals. D

[apiphile]

And then there's the argument that because women's paintings haven't been publicised as much as men's throughout history, that you shouldn't like any art prior to X date and blah. Honestly, set the bar too low and people will just stop trying to limbo under it, folks!

Glah. I gave up on trying to be a good person a long time ago. I'm working on "be happy" instead. It's harder but it does mean I get to decide when I've succeeded. :)

[luinar]

Oh pppphhhttttbbbbbb :P SHADDUP.

Just chant this mantra: "CLUB SANDWICHES, NOT SEALS"

That and "you're all cunts anyway. fuck this for a game of soldiers. I'm going to go eat cake". Cake makes me happy. and cheese. Cheese makes me really happy.... MUST NOT REPLACE HAPPINESS WITH FUCK. Ah, fuck it. I'm typing this with a double chocolate magum in one had and a glass of Stoli and cranberry in the other... So how am I typing, you ask, considering both hands are full. WITH MY FOREHEAD. I'm remarkably eloquent when I headbutt the keyboard.

[apiphile]

I have definitely enjoyed the experience of this comment. :)

[puzzled_anwen]

Yeah, I liked your points about, like, art and stuff but then you mentioned objectifying people and now I'm all HOT GIRLS! HOT BOYS! FUCK YEAH!! Sorry, Del ;P

last night I was getting a hug from three girls all about seven inches taller than me, IT WAS AMAZING! BREASTS EVERYWHERE I LOOKED!

[swear_jar]

I am so very with you in this. Courtney Love is a good example: she can be scary and kind of embarrassing to admit you like, but there is so much she's done I love (her music and clothes, like you said. Oh her clothes <3).

Though I think there are one or two examples of people I loath for their personal views, whose art has been tainted by that: Frank Miller comes to mind.

... Though I was kind of skeeved by most of his stuff in the first place. So hm.

[apiphile]

Yeah, Frank WHORES WHORES WHORES Miller has problems keeping his lunatic views out of his art, which means it transcends the barrier. I mean, you can't tell from my writin that I rape goats and murder children, so I'm okay!

speaking of C-Lo's clothes, do you follow "whatcourtneywore" on tumblr?

[swear_jar]

Yeah... pretty much, yeah. I would be fond of his very early Batman stuff, I think (not the recent stuff, no no no no no) if I hadn't already gone through my HATE HIM SO MUCH faze. I think he used to be less crazy. Or better at hiding it? Hm.

whatcourtneywore

I... don't think I do. BUT I WILL NOW.

[apiphile]

I really liked Dark Knight and ... Year One, was it? And I have a certain amount of affection for Sin City - only I think I prefer the movie adaptation. But yeah, he has gone a bit ... Dave Sim. WHORES WHORES WHORES SUCKING VOID I HATE WOMEN.