oo3; 例えどんな世界を描いても明日は見えなくて No matter what kind of world I draw, tomorrow still can't be seen

Sep 16, 2008 17:53

It's a simple fact of humanity that if they do not believe the correct action has been taken, they will take action themselves to rectify the mistake. It isn't something that Having not been here long, it's hard to say what the current legal position is on anything, but if that number of people are willing to oppose each other over actions, then ( Read more... )

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mrbaseballfan September 16 2008, 10:46:19 UTC
You sound like you really know what you're talking about.

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Oh, semi-truths are wonderful angelic_lawyer September 16 2008, 11:36:35 UTC
I'm a lawyer, if that explains anything. I would be pretty useless if I couldn't see anything from more than one perspective, don't you think?

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How well do they work on a psychic? :O mrbaseballfan September 16 2008, 11:39:29 UTC
It does. I never had a head for the law, I'm more into baseball. I bet you and Jeff would've gotten along great, though.

I agree. If you keep watching one side or the other, you just blind yourself to the whole thing. Besides, I got a duty to anyone, criminal or no, to help them if they're injured.

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...Very good question :o Can he pick up on blatant lies? angelic_lawyer September 16 2008, 11:43:07 UTC
Jeff?

That's true. Although, it goes somewhat against human nature not to find oneself siding with one more than another. Emotions can be as much of a burden as a blessing. You just have to find the best way of distancing yourself to view something rationally.

That's very good of you. There's not many people who would do that.

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skybound_love September 16 2008, 14:01:25 UTC
Hm...That's a pretty rational perspective. I find it somewhat agreeable. Walter has expressed a heavy need to repent for his actions, actions which were not entirely of his own design.

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angelic_lawyer September 16 2008, 14:11:23 UTC
I don't know any of those involved, so it's probably easier for me to remain rational than most of the other people here.

I.. Have to admit, I'm not sure as to who 'Walter' is exactly. But, do you actually mean 'need' or 'want', out of curiousity?

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skybound_love September 16 2008, 14:27:04 UTC
I've never seen much difference between the two.

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angelic_lawyer September 16 2008, 14:29:05 UTC
In the case of repentance, one can need to repent for their sins, but whether they're willing to and want to is a different matter.

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twothrones September 16 2008, 14:40:12 UTC
I am familiar with mistakes... terrible mistakes... but intentionally slaughtering innocents should not be an issue worthy of this kind of lengthy debate. The truth is an obvious thing here and delaying a decision by trying to find a so-called middle ground so that everyone is satisfied will allow a known murderer to cause more pain.

There can be no pleasant truce when such violent crimes have been committed. Action must be taken and justice must be pursued by a swift hand so that further suffering might be prevented. Just because the family of a murderer or thief cries out when his punishment is given does not mean the system is wrong. Pampering criminals by making excuses for them only creates more criminals who have come to believe that they can get away with murder so long as someone is willing to protest on their behalf once they're caught.

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Touched a nerve >: angelic_lawyer September 16 2008, 14:53:31 UTC
As I have already mentioned, I have not been here long enough to know the full details of the matters concerning the specific matter at hand. I don't know the people involved, I can't comment on what is right and what is wrong here. I only offered my observations of what I had actually seen with my own eyes. I'm not a fan of offering an opinion that is littered with hear-say.

But then we come to the question of what would the correct justice be? If there's no justice system in place that has any control over matters, then it's not justice, it's failed and it leads to these kinds of issues again and again. The fact that it failed in the first place says a lot.

Sometimes it happens that the correct punishment isn't given out and isn't what this is all about? People thought he was punished too harshly, people thought he wasn't punished well enough, where does it lie? It needs to be decided otherwise someone will take revenge like that again and it could end up going further than even this ( ... )

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:< twothrones September 16 2008, 16:00:56 UTC
I, too, am something of a newcomer to this city. I do not know this murderer personally. I know his name only because the relic’s messages so often include it. I do not know who he killed... or why he killed, only that he did and that those who were lost, however briefly, were considered to be innocent. They were not deserving of the pain he gave them. That is a fair summary of all I know about this man’s past transgressions ( ... )

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He'll get over it angelic_lawyer September 16 2008, 21:55:35 UTC
This place doesn't even seem to have a set of laws to uphold, which is something I'm failing to understand. Admittedly, in a situation like this, it may not be the first thing that comes to peoples minds, but when it is evident that they're needed, I fail to understand why no-one would go about setting up some kind of structure to this place.

To act shocked that something like this would happen is foolish as a result; it seems almost inevitable.

A police force cannot adequately function without laws to use to protect it's citizens, and the citizens cannot be expected to know where they stand with regards to the law if there is none: undoubtedly laws are different for everyone here dependant on where they come from.

I think though, that we agree in basis, we just have something of a different opinion over the details. I imagine it stems from our being from different places. I do agree with you that the original culprit should receive a punishment worthy of his crime, however.

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rex_britanniae September 16 2008, 18:41:17 UTC
These are all very good points. However, I would posit that one needs to be careful in weighing all sides. When two or more persons or groups is in disagreement, it has been my experience that these sides will oft-times attempt to "out-shout" the others in a communal setting. Moreover, rather than attempting to please all sides, one in the position of authority must recognise that in a true compromise, no side will be completely pleased with the resulting decision.

As I too am personally uninvolved in this matter, I understand the need for cooler heads to prevail. However, that may not always be possible.

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angelic_lawyer September 16 2008, 22:06:42 UTC
Of course.

When there are people who are personally involved in a matter, there are going to be people who are never happy with the outcome.

It does seem like most of this would have been unnecessary if they had found a way to set up a structure of laws and punishments as soon as it was evident they needed them, rather than leaving it and having something like this occur.

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