oo3; 例えどんな世界を描いても明日は見えなくて No matter what kind of world I draw, tomorrow still can't be seen

Sep 16, 2008 17:53

It's a simple fact of humanity that if they do not believe the correct action has been taken, they will take action themselves to rectify the mistake. It isn't something that Having not been here long, it's hard to say what the current legal position is on anything, but if that number of people are willing to oppose each other over actions, then ( Read more... )

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twothrones September 16 2008, 14:40:12 UTC
I am familiar with mistakes... terrible mistakes... but intentionally slaughtering innocents should not be an issue worthy of this kind of lengthy debate. The truth is an obvious thing here and delaying a decision by trying to find a so-called middle ground so that everyone is satisfied will allow a known murderer to cause more pain.

There can be no pleasant truce when such violent crimes have been committed. Action must be taken and justice must be pursued by a swift hand so that further suffering might be prevented. Just because the family of a murderer or thief cries out when his punishment is given does not mean the system is wrong. Pampering criminals by making excuses for them only creates more criminals who have come to believe that they can get away with murder so long as someone is willing to protest on their behalf once they're caught.

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Touched a nerve >: angelic_lawyer September 16 2008, 14:53:31 UTC
As I have already mentioned, I have not been here long enough to know the full details of the matters concerning the specific matter at hand. I don't know the people involved, I can't comment on what is right and what is wrong here. I only offered my observations of what I had actually seen with my own eyes. I'm not a fan of offering an opinion that is littered with hear-say.

But then we come to the question of what would the correct justice be? If there's no justice system in place that has any control over matters, then it's not justice, it's failed and it leads to these kinds of issues again and again. The fact that it failed in the first place says a lot.

Sometimes it happens that the correct punishment isn't given out and isn't what this is all about? People thought he was punished too harshly, people thought he wasn't punished well enough, where does it lie? It needs to be decided otherwise someone will take revenge like that again and it could end up going further than even this ( ... )

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:< twothrones September 16 2008, 16:00:56 UTC
I, too, am something of a newcomer to this city. I do not know this murderer personally. I know his name only because the relic’s messages so often include it. I do not know who he killed... or why he killed, only that he did and that those who were lost, however briefly, were considered to be innocent. They were not deserving of the pain he gave them. That is a fair summary of all I know about this man’s past transgressions ( ... )

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He'll get over it angelic_lawyer September 16 2008, 21:55:35 UTC
This place doesn't even seem to have a set of laws to uphold, which is something I'm failing to understand. Admittedly, in a situation like this, it may not be the first thing that comes to peoples minds, but when it is evident that they're needed, I fail to understand why no-one would go about setting up some kind of structure to this place.

To act shocked that something like this would happen is foolish as a result; it seems almost inevitable.

A police force cannot adequately function without laws to use to protect it's citizens, and the citizens cannot be expected to know where they stand with regards to the law if there is none: undoubtedly laws are different for everyone here dependant on where they come from.

I think though, that we agree in basis, we just have something of a different opinion over the details. I imagine it stems from our being from different places. I do agree with you that the original culprit should receive a punishment worthy of his crime, however.

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Good, good twothrones September 17 2008, 00:14:03 UTC
Perhaps many of them have resisted the idea of order being imposed on them by strangers... but I would think such a concern would fade in light of all this chaos. Surely a little discomfort would be worth the feeling of security laws would help build.

Their surprise may be a sign of inexperience. Some of these people are mere commoners. I can see where they would be caught off guard if they have never dealt with law or war before.

Still... Shouldn't some laws be assumed without having to be said or written out? I am not aware of any civilization that permits the murder of its own citizens. No one should think that acceptable.

Even if I cannot agree with all of your opinions, it is good to read words that hold logic and sense in them for once. I can only hope the people in this city realize the mistakes they are making before it is too late.

Would it be considered rude of me to ask for your name?

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angelic_lawyer September 17 2008, 07:52:34 UTC
Perhaps, but if I'm correct, some people have been here for a long time, now? They could hardly be viewed as strangers. Whatever the reason for not imposing an adequate judicial system by this point is a poor one ( ... )

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twothrones September 17 2008, 22:52:52 UTC
One young man said he has been here for many months. I don’t know if there is any truth in claims like his. I have seen groups gather on the streets, talking together like old friends, but as united as some seem, others... Others remain distant. It is difficult to be anything more than a stranger some days. But we are agreed then. There is no reason, good or otherwise, for this place to refrain from adopting a system of law and punishment ( ... )

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angelic_lawyer September 18 2008, 06:36:55 UTC
I don't think there's any reason to disbelieve someone over how long they've been here.

Ah, I understand what you mean. I suppose that has some effect, but some may be from a place similar to mine. I'm not sure how it is for you, but even ordinary citizens are allowed some say in how their society is run, if theirs is a democratic one. It ranges from voting for elected officials and voting in referendums which allow the government to have a clearer picture of what the people want. But, of course, just because such a system is there, it doesn't mean it is used.

Thank you, and likewise.

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