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att123 April 18 2011, 18:17:38 UTC
I haven't seen the show yet, but I do agree with you on HBO's excessive use of nudity. Theres really no reason for it and it really frustrates me.

Game of Thrones really does look like a good series, but I think that I'd also wait just to see if its worth investing that much time into the series.

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alexandral April 18 2011, 18:21:45 UTC
I didn't mind the nudity as much in Rome (may be because the show wasn't based on anything , so I didn't have anything to compare with), but I do seem to mind it in GoT. I don't remember the book being all about sexytimes and naked ladies.

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cranberrysheep April 18 2011, 18:23:58 UTC
I'm hoping they worked out the majority of the kinks for the second episode. I had some serious issues with the pacing.

HBO is pretty reliable when it comes to unnecessary sex scenes. But the Jaime/Cersei one is canon, isn't it?

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alexandral April 18 2011, 18:27:21 UTC
I'm hoping they worked out the majority of the kinks for the second episode. I had some serious issues with the pacing.

I agree! I can't put my finger on it, but some scenes are very slow and some just fly past unnoticed (like Tyrion / the Hound conversation which sounded really good). I am not sure if the sound is done this way intentionally, though. I don't even know what bothers me about the sound. Something is off. Is it because there is no background music?

HBO is pretty reliable when it comes to unnecessary sex scenes. But the Jaime/Cersei one is canon, isn't it?

Oh yes. but by the time we got to it I was all "Please spare me more sex scenes". But they didn't . :D

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dianora77 April 18 2011, 21:58:07 UTC
I agree on the pacing. I've seen a few more episodes (due to my job) and the show really kicks off after the third.

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alexandral April 18 2011, 22:03:28 UTC
Oh, thank you for the info! This is really good to know!!!!

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lydzi April 18 2011, 18:33:31 UTC
Oh? I didn't find too much of nudity. The books are full of it actually. Like I was expecting Catelyn to be naked when she receives Lysa's letter because that's how she is in the books. But turns out they didn't go that far ^^. Also the wedding day for Daenarys was a LOT more softer when it comes to the crowd and the simili-rapes in front of her etc.
The only gratuitous nude scene was actually Daenarys/Viserys but the scene was so intense and so scary that it didn't bothered me in the sense that it a metaphor of what she is at the moment: a piece of delicate meat. It is how Viserys eyes her. She's nothing more than an empty perfect shell.

I do agree about Sean Bean. They did age him a tad too much. I don't really know why but well. Maybe it was to make him look more stern. I have no idea.

Arya looks 5 to me ^^. Lol maybe not 5 but she looks a lot younger than 14.
Khal Drogo is unf. Raw testosterone.

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alexandral April 18 2011, 19:11:11 UTC
You see, I think there were naked ladies in the book, but the book is huge and has so many more interesting things in it, why do I get to watch some scanky ladies (with Tyrion) for 3.5 minutes? This is 5 % of the episode!!!!! 3.5 minutes of the ladies whose genitals I have no interest seeing! There are other more interesting things going on in the book (like, how the kids named their wolves, for example) which didn't make it. This is what I mean by unnecessary.

On the other hand, I wish they didn't soften Daenarys' wedding night. I understand why they did it, but for me this was a horrible but powerful moment which was the begnining of her character's making.

You have read the books recently - do you remember how old Arya was? I seem to remember 8 , but I am not sure.

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lydzi April 18 2011, 19:18:39 UTC
I so have to agree about Daenarys's wedding night. I watched the episode with my flatmates and I had to explain to them how it wasn't supposed to be so brutal. That Drogo was a lot more softer when alone with her.
I don't see why they did it like that really. It's very weird. And since I saw a rape in the last The Borgias episode, I'm still a bit shaky about it. Such an awful crime :/.

Arya is ten at the beginning.

All in all that was a weird intro for Tyrion tbh. I don't dislike it at all but it was still surprising as a scenaristic choice. Tyrion is probably one of the most "sexual" character in the books. I believe every chapter with him has some nudity/sex scene at a point or another so I wasn't really unsettled about it.

I thought of you when I saw Sandor ^^. He is very different from what I imagined too. But maybe I'm a bit like Sansa :I have to much imagination :p.

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alexandral April 18 2011, 19:25:12 UTC
** weeps ** Sandor is the other casting I really don't like. he is soooooooo old! He is supposed to be ugly and disfigured, but I researched and found that he is supposed to be late twenties - early thirties.

Yep, the wedding night. how are they going to make Dany to love her husband? Do not know.

Tyrion's "introduction scene" was way too long for me, way too long. They missed so mnay good parts!!!!

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seven_trees April 18 2011, 18:57:27 UTC
I really did like it overall, but I think the fact that I had already watched the first 12 minutes plus the fact that I was spoiled for Jamie/Cersei as well as Jamie pushing Bran out of the tower, took some of the excitement away. I'm definitely gonna try and stay unspoiled for as long as I can, even though I'm already spoiled for two other things.

BTW, I agree. Khal Drogo is RIDICULOUSLY hot.

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alexandral April 18 2011, 19:16:56 UTC
I think I would have enjoyed the show much better if I haven't read the books. ** true confession ** I wish I haven't known all the spoilers and I also wish I haven't already had a picture in my mind of how things should be.

For me this can go either way. I am going to marathon because this always puts me in a better, less picky mood. I am so ready to love the series.

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seven_trees April 18 2011, 21:53:49 UTC
I've also heard a lot of posts about people complaining about how differently things looked in their mind and how it annoyed them when something didn't follow the book. And see there's the problem with book to tv adaptations. EVERYTHING looks good in your mind. No matter how great the production values, nothing can compare with ~*~the powah of IMAGINATION~*~.

I am so ready to love the series.

Me too. I'm going to be so disappointed if it doesn't live up to my expectations.

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alexandral April 18 2011, 21:59:38 UTC
** nods ** Plus, when it is your well-loved books , like ASOIF for me, this problem is even bigger. It is like LOTR - they tried to do all sorts of adaptations and even this latest, really good one? Still not 100% as the books. :D

dianora77 (see the comment above) says that the pacing really picks up later on. YAy!

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alexandral April 18 2011, 21:10:01 UTC
You see, by the time I got to Cersei and Jaime I was sooooo full of nakedness that I was all "please spare me". Seriously, I have counted all the sex and nakedness scenes and it was about 10 minutes altogether. 10%, dear QoT - this is too much. They missed several important bits like the wolf naming.

re: the sets. I watched it on TV but not in HD. I thoughts that the landscapes looked gorgeous and that the Wall was ok (it looked rather made of plastic than made of ice) . But the tree looked strangely false. Anyways, this is not that important. The main problems I had was strange pacing and odd sound. I am sorry.

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alexandral April 19 2011, 08:16:23 UTC
It is hard for me to compare with Rome because these are two different shows. I usually have a high tolerance for sex, nudity,grime, gore and all such things. In GoT it is all about what the creators have chosen to include vs what they haven't (in Rome they didn't have this problem). I definitely prefer to see the scene/scenes of the wolf naming instead of the scene with the genitals of the nameless whore. And I would rather not have Dany strutting around naked for no other reason than showing off the body of the actress (this scene was definitely added ( ... )

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