Meanwhile, Damon was, to put it plainly, terrorizing her all season. Elena would be pissed off and then time would pass and Damon would pester her enough to forgive him. Or she's be so caught in pain and new reveals and guilt and self-hatred that she wouldn't have time respond to Damon threatening to break her arm.RIGHT RIGHT. I feel like either me or Julie Plek read this season really wrong, IDEK anymore. At least in S1, we saw them having fun and stuff together. When there was that fake Damon/Katherine!Elena kiss at the end of Founder's Day, I really believed it. I saw them grow closer during Stefan's bloodlust arc and while I was disappointed with Elena'd decision-making in the moment, it didn't seem wildly out of character to me
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I haven't read her interviews. The quotes I've read from her make me not want to. LOOK TVD YOU GET POINTS FOR ACTUALLY WRITING ABOUT WOMEN WHILE SPN JUST FRIDGES THEM. BUT THE WRITERS GIVE ME THOUGHTFUL RESPONSES TO THEM, SORT OF. JUST. STOP. LOOK AT YOUR CHOICES. YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE WORSE THAN SPN
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This isn't so much a direct response to your (insightful) commentary as it is my thoughts on the situation, which jive with yours somewhat but not entirely.
I'm not terribly bothered by what happened between Elena and Damon in the finale, held in a vacuum. While Damon in no way deserved her forgiveness, given all the awful things he's done, I think it tracks pretty well with Elena's personality to at least say she forgives him and to kiss him. Elena has consistently been shown as caring, even to a fault. So I buy her doing those things because Damon was dying. (Of course, the show doesn't exist in a vacuum, and I am concerned about the broader implications of that scene, that Damon has somehow earned her forgiveness by abusing Andie and generally being a horrible person
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(Of course, the show doesn't exist in a vacuum, and I am concerned about the broader implications of that scene, that Damon has somehow earned her forgiveness by abusing Andie and generally being a horrible person.) Exactly
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Absolutely, Elena should get time to mourn and process and collect herself and, maybe, if that's the direction those things take her, to forgive Damon. (Given her personality and her love for Stefan - who absolutely loves Damon - I think she eventually would forgive him, but that's beside the point.) In the meantime, I am choosing to believe that she was lying to him because he was ~dying and she felt sorry for him (and seriously, I honestly believe that one of Elena's biggest flaws is being compassionate without fail, even when the other person doesn't deserve her compassion; we've seen that with Tyler, John, Isobel, Rose, and probably others I don't remember off the top of my head).
Till they tell me otherwise, I'm thinking that Elena was lying a little. I think she likes parts of Damon - but not the part where he rapes and kills people.
I'm so happy I'm not the only one who was completely PISSED OFF about the Damon/Elena/Stefan stuff in the finale.
This is sexist writing at its worst. Her part in the finale is about comforting her abuser, not dealing with the deaths of the people she loves.
That the writers chose to have Elena kiss him, forgive him, and tell him that she likes him the way he is (after a season of abusing her) is telling. Either the writers really don't give a damn about Elena's sanity, emotional health, and right to her own body and are more focused on ~DRAMAS~ of Damon's man pain or the show is going for fuckedupness.
YES THIS x 1,000,000!
I swear, if the show tries to sell me on the idea that Elena really does accept Damon as he is (i.e. a serial rapist/murderer who victimizes people and feels no remorse for doing it), I'm done. Just done. Also, if they make the entire dark!Stefan arc about damaging his character so Damon doesn't look as bad in comparison and Damon/Elena is an easier sell...Again I'd be done.
I just. I mean part of it is shipping - I want to love the Stefan stuff but I'm afraid they're going to do it all wrong so Elena can fall into her abusers arms.
And just. I'm so sick of the show not letting Elena get to be angry at Damon or stay that way. Or even allowing her to fucking mourn her parents and parental figures in her own show on the finale. LOOK AT THE BODY. LOOK AT EVERYONE LOVES A CLOWN. WATCH THESE GENRE SHOWS THAT DEAL WITH DEATH SO BEAUTIFULLY. AND FUCKING LEARN.
I mean not only does it take away from Elena's story, it's a total disservice to Jenna. She deserved better. Damon got more to say about it than Elena.
I want to love the Stefan stuff but I'm afraid they're going to do it all wrong so Elena can fall into her abusers arms.
I'm share those fears. TBH, I'm not overly thrilled with the Stefan arc because I feel like the blood-lust arc in season 1 was SO perfect that they really didn't need to go there again. Yes, this time Stefan actually killed someone so they're clearly taking the blood-lust to a whole 'nother level but I still don't think it's necessary. That being said, if the s/l was actually about Stefan, I might be able to enjoy it. We all know Paul will deliver everything we could want and more but it won't mean much of anything if the entire purpose behind this arc is to shove Elena into Damon's arms.
Yeah. I don't exactly blame Stefan here because it was life-and-death and Elena would hate him forever if he kept it form her. Pissed off as she was with Damon, I think it's obvious she cares. It's just bad bad timing. Damon's manpain shouldn't come before Elena's grief in her own show.
I would be okay with Spuffy season six type thing so long as he doesn't try and rape her and then the next season is all about his manpain while the viewers don't get to see into her head or the fall out of his abuse.
I'm feel so bad for you sister. I hope continue to recover and have positive relationships.
I don't want Stefan to get the girl because that reduces Elena to a prize but I like that a show aimed at teenage girls was able to show a relationship where the man respected the woman's wishes and got called on when he stepped over the line.
Which makes Damon so gross. Because Elena rightfully blasts him for trying to leave to protect her, while she apologizes for slapping him after he and Bonnie faked her death. If he honestly cared about her as a person, he would have been more understanding of her pain. I mean look at Bonnie, she didn't regret her choice but it tore her up to know that her best friend was in so much pain.
Damon doesn't care about Elena as a person and I doubt he ever will.
And true that would reduce Elena to being a prize. I guess I just want Elena to be happy with someone who isn't Damon. And I want Stefan to be happy too because I genuinely like his character and really want people to stop being so ridiculously hateful towards one of the few men on this show with any sense of morality.
Damon is fail all around. I have no hope for his character or anyone fixing people's perceptions of him at this point.
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I'm not terribly bothered by what happened between Elena and Damon in the finale, held in a vacuum. While Damon in no way deserved her forgiveness, given all the awful things he's done, I think it tracks pretty well with Elena's personality to at least say she forgives him and to kiss him. Elena has consistently been shown as caring, even to a fault. So I buy her doing those things because Damon was dying. (Of course, the show doesn't exist in a vacuum, and I am concerned about the broader implications of that scene, that Damon has somehow earned her forgiveness by abusing Andie and generally being a horrible person ( ... )
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This is sexist writing at its worst. Her part in the finale is about comforting her abuser, not dealing with the deaths of the people she loves.
That the writers chose to have Elena kiss him, forgive him, and tell him that she likes him the way he is (after a season of abusing her) is telling. Either the writers really don't give a damn about Elena's sanity, emotional health, and right to her own body and are more focused on ~DRAMAS~ of Damon's man pain or the show is going for fuckedupness.
YES THIS x 1,000,000!
I swear, if the show tries to sell me on the idea that Elena really does accept Damon as he is (i.e. a serial rapist/murderer who victimizes people and feels no remorse for doing it), I'm done. Just done. Also, if they make the entire dark!Stefan arc about damaging his character so Damon doesn't look as bad in comparison and Damon/Elena is an easier sell...Again I'd be done.
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And just. I'm so sick of the show not letting Elena get to be angry at Damon or stay that way. Or even allowing her to fucking mourn her parents and parental figures in her own show on the finale. LOOK AT THE BODY. LOOK AT EVERYONE LOVES A CLOWN. WATCH THESE GENRE SHOWS THAT DEAL WITH DEATH SO BEAUTIFULLY. AND FUCKING LEARN.
I mean not only does it take away from Elena's story, it's a total disservice to Jenna. She deserved better. Damon got more to say about it than Elena.
RAGEEEEEEEEEE
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I'm share those fears. TBH, I'm not overly thrilled with the Stefan arc because I feel like the blood-lust arc in season 1 was SO perfect that they really didn't need to go there again. Yes, this time Stefan actually killed someone so they're clearly taking the blood-lust to a whole 'nother level but I still don't think it's necessary. That being said, if the s/l was actually about Stefan, I might be able to enjoy it. We all know Paul will deliver everything we could want and more but it won't mean much of anything if the entire purpose behind this arc is to shove Elena into Damon's arms.
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I would be okay with Spuffy season six type thing so long as he doesn't try and rape her and then the next season is all about his manpain while the viewers don't get to see into her head or the fall out of his abuse.
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I don't want Stefan to get the girl because that reduces Elena to a prize but I like that a show aimed at teenage girls was able to show a relationship where the man respected the woman's wishes and got called on when he stepped over the line.
Which makes Damon so gross. Because Elena rightfully blasts him for trying to leave to protect her, while she apologizes for slapping him after he and Bonnie faked her death. If he honestly cared about her as a person, he would have been more understanding of her pain. I mean look at Bonnie, she didn't regret her choice but it tore her up to know that her best friend was in so much pain.
Damon doesn't care about Elena as a person and I doubt he ever will.
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And true that would reduce Elena to being a prize. I guess I just want Elena to be happy with someone who isn't Damon. And I want Stefan to be happy too because I genuinely like his character and really want people to stop being so ridiculously hateful towards one of the few men on this show with any sense of morality.
Damon is fail all around. I have no hope for his character or anyone fixing people's perceptions of him at this point.
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