HBP 19: Elf Tails

Sep 02, 2005 22:10

Harry, Hermione, Fred, George, and Ginny gather around Ron's bed int he hospital wing. Fred and George had been in Hogsmeade to look into buying Zonko's and to surprise Ron on his Birthday. Well, um... Surprise! They all speculate on what could have happened, Ron croaks -_-' and Hagrid makes a hasty entrance. (He was reading to Aragog.) ( Read more... )

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madderbrad September 3 2005, 04:20:36 UTC
OK, you've got to tell me ... I know I'm uncool and not hip and woefully ignorant ... but what does -_-' mean anyway?

I think someone in the last chapter stated that it's demeaning and immoral how Harry orders Kreacher around like a slave in this one. I dunno; I'm not sure we're supposed to have any sympathy for Kreacher, given his betrayal which led directly to Sirius's death. And I think he's too far gone to be reasoned with, or bribed. Would have been much more convenient for him to have just committed elf suicide, as in many fan fiction stories. I wonder why JKR retained him anyway? Did Kreacher do anything that Dobby could not have done? Or was Kreacher included just to bring in the Kreacher-versus-Dobby humour?

Loved the Luna bits in this book, one of the bright spots. I hope she's around in the seventh book, although I fear it'll only be at the end, after the Trio have finished their road trip around the countryside seeking cursed objects, in time for the final confrontation with Voldemort.

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justjanuary September 3 2005, 04:30:07 UTC
-_- is an smiley, usually showing that someone is irritated, angry, ect.

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madderbrad September 3 2005, 07:26:47 UTC
I could almost see the smiley/grin, but for the quote (') in the figure. -_-' didn't seem to be much of anything, to me. I'm just a cyber fool, I guess.

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seicat September 3 2005, 13:37:50 UTC
-_-' with the ' is the version with a sweatdrop. So it's more like how you feel after a bad joke: resignation, exasperation, chagrin, Oh-jeez. Like someone did something and you're not quite sure how to respond. Like this. Which is why I use the little symbol instead of trying to type this all out...

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cadesama September 3 2005, 04:53:42 UTC
Contrast the number of visiting family members Ron gets with the number that Colin, Justin, and Hermione got. Guess only wizarding parents are allowed to make sure their kids are alright.

I'm not seeing why Ron getting poisoned is unbelievable. Maybe if it weren't Hagrid, who was at Hogwarts both times the Chamber was opened, it wouldn't sound so stupidly naive. Or maybe there's some crazy mind control spell that convinces all the characters that contrary to all of the events in the past five books, Hogwarts is safeSince Harry's saved so many Weasleys, does that mean he owns them? I think it ought to ( ... )

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madderbrad September 3 2005, 05:13:58 UTC
Guess only wizarding parents are allowed to make sure their kids are alright.

Good one. Although Hogwarts does have 'Muggle repellent' charms on it, I think, which protects it from Muggles. Maybe it's flat out impossible for a muggle to visit the castle. Do we have a situation in canon where a Muggle has visited Hogwarts?

I know some H/Hr folk were using the fact that Hermione didn't visit Harry as an example of an abberation demonstrating the (bad) characterisation of her in HBP (a view which I support, btw). I think every other time he's been in the medical wing she's shown up, along with Ron.

Since Harry's saved so many Weasleys, does that mean he owns them? I think it ought to.

Why? Harry's a hero, he has a 'saving people thing', he doesn't charge for his services. Has the whole idea of a 'life debt' ever been DEFINED in canon? Why should he 'own' the Weasleys, please? You want him to give them orders like he does Kreacher? :-)

Dumbledore is willing to put the entire school in the line of fire (just, actually, as he ( ... )

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cadesama September 3 2005, 06:26:59 UTC
Maybe it's flat out impossible for a muggle to visit the castle. Do we have a situation in canon where a Muggle has visited Hogwarts?

We have Filch, and there's no substantive proof that Squibs are any different from Muggles, excepting their magical heritage. But Muggles from the outside world? Nope. It's neither happened, nor been explained why it doesn't happen. Since the anti-Apparation wards can be lowered on a localized scale, I don't see why the anti-Muggle ones couldn't be to allow Muggle parents to visit injured or sick children.

Why should he 'own' the Weasleys, please? You want him to give them orders like he does Kreacher? :-)

Er, I was entirely joking. But jokes about Harry finally "having" a family of his own spring to mind as a good enough reason.

Do we know for sure that Dumbledore knew about Malfory's mission to assassinate him? Is that the sin to which you are referring?The short answer to your question is yes. I do think we've got enough information to assume that Dumbledore knew in advance of the siege, ( ... )

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madderbrad September 3 2005, 07:24:09 UTC
We have Filch, and there's no substantive proof that Squibs are any different from Muggles, excepting their magical heritage.

No, we've got clear proof that Squibs are different from Muggles - Mrs. Figg could see Dementors. Muggles can't. It's no jump at all to then reason that, likewise, Squibs can see Hogwarts, although Muggles can't. So I think one could postulate that Muggles just can't enter Hogwarts, full stop. Maybe the Founders' magic is too strong to affect for special cases or temporally localised restrictions.

The incident with Ron likely confirmed to him that he was the target, and that multiple people may be caught in the crossfire. Instead of acting, Dumbledore again bides him time -- possibly leading to the argument with Snape.

Thanks for detailing your case against Dumbledore. I'm thinking you were happy with the final outcome in the book? :-)

The problem is, there's no proof that Draco was the culprit, was there? My memory of HBP is really fading, but Slughorn didn't know that Draco had given him the ( ... )

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schtroumph_c September 3 2005, 08:50:09 UTC
* How did Draco know Slughorn wanted to offer the bottle to DD ?

How did he put the poison, Rosmerta?

* We never knew what Snape didn’t want to do anymore, right?

I think DD said he always knew it was Draco. So I think he ask something else, like if there were other DEs.

After all, it doesn’t seem that the row was about the necklace.

* “No it won', Filch," said Hagrid shortly. "They're with me, aren’ they?"
"And what difference does that make?" asked Filch obnoxiously.
"I'm a ruddy teacher, aren' I, yeh sneakin' Squib!" said Hagrid, firing up at once.

We learnt in the first book that Hagrid didn’t like Filch, and that Filch makes Miss Norris watch him each time Hagrid is in the castle.
I wonder what more there is between them.

* If you don't want to go out with her anymore, just tell her

Bwahahaha! Is he serious? The majority of people have difficulty to tell their feelings, moreover in the end of a relationship like breaking up with a post-it, or in the beginning. And sometimes between, like the family, the friends you don’t ( ... )

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chasezgranger September 4 2005, 04:54:23 UTC
moreover in the end of a relationship like breaking up with a post-it,

LOL...Sex and the City!

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house_elf_44 September 5 2005, 01:10:15 UTC
* How did Draco know Slughorn wanted to offer the bottle to DD ?

How did he put the poison, Rosmerta?

Yes, Rosmerta did it, but that's a good question about how Draco knew to do that. Maybe he ordered Rosmerta to poison anything a staff member bought as a gift for Dumbledore, without knowing if anyone was really planning on doing that. That could mean more than one poisoned bottle though.

Draco can do occlumency, but we don't know that he can do legilimency, do we?

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shocolate September 3 2005, 09:40:56 UTC
Oh, poor, poor Hermione - he could die, never knowing how much she loves, him, and then...

"Er-my-nee," croaked Ron unexpectedly from between them.

I sobbed. Oh, what a beautiful moment! Beautiful.

And he pretends to be asleep whenever Lavender visits - my little freckled Gryffindor.

And then, well, one of the best Harry/Ron moments in teh book...

And the next thing Harry knew, he was lying in a remarkably warm and comfortable bed and looking up at a lamp that was throwing a circle of golden light onto a shadowy ceiling. He raised his head awkwardly. There on his left was a familiar-looking, freckly, red-haired person.

*sigh*

So, plotwise, an excellent chapter. Much Ron-Hermione and lovely Harry-Ron interactions. All is right with my world.

And Harry saved his life. Saved his Wheezey. Yes, no wonder he gets to keep one - of course I'd rather it was Ron, but keeping Ginny works too!

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cyber_fay September 3 2005, 18:35:19 UTC
I have to quote your perfect sentence:All is right with my world

Ron is gonna be all right, Hermione is so cute when she is worried, the "Er-my-nee" thing was more than perfect, we have Harry and Ginny confort interaction, and most of all, we have FRED AND GEORGE. God, I miss them. And in their way to the business world-domination they found time to be nice to Ron. Aaaaaw, you gotta love the Weasleys.

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OTP woman_ironing September 3 2005, 11:52:24 UTC
Someone has to say it:

Harry, however, had never been less interested in Quidditch; he was rapidly becoming obsessed with Draco Malfoy.

My favourite fanfic tease!

(Swoons again.)

I do think Harry's dimness about Draco's disappearances is just that bit beyond suspension-of-disbelief. After all, he'd made a lot of use of the Room of Requirement himself in the previous year.

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Re: OTP woman_ironing September 3 2005, 12:17:18 UTC
My favourite fanfic tease!

Oh, and there's this:
" 'Where have you been?' demanded Ginny, as Harry sprinted into the changing room. The whole team was changed and ready; [...]
'I met Malfoy,' Harry told her quietly, as he put his scarlet robes over his head.'

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Re: OTP woman_ironing September 3 2005, 23:20:14 UTC
Yes! Yum.
Can you not just imagine the look on Ginny's face?!

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Re: OTP dusky_paw September 4 2005, 18:50:35 UTC
Yes, awesome imagery for the fanboys/girls *lol*
(and it's cannon, too! She wrote it)

There more I think about it, the more I shake my head and wonder about this very fanfic-like description of the romantic relationships and scenes like those that are not intended to be romantic in any way, but can be easily interpreted as such.

And then JKR wonders about all these different shippers...

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