Four degrees of Brad Pitt

[_jems_]

Last week was pretty slow for me, workwise. By choice. This week I needed something to do and I get a million things, all at once. And I'm still not done with that thing from yesterday. Still kinda scratching my head about how to translate "charismatic", actually. I think the biggest problem is that the word exists in the Swedish language with

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[itmustbetuesday]

Eh, I guess it is too trite, but I like the icon. It's not as much as I feel that Veronica/Logan have the same OMGTRUESTLOVE that Veronica/Duncan have, it's more seeing it as hey - their story's not over yet!

Plus it's the only V/L icon I have.

[_jems_]

Hey look, I even remembered it wrong! *goes to fix*

I guess my problem with it is that I don't believe in the sentiment at all. I don't think that love, and especially a relationship, is something that just falls in your lap and stays happy happy happy forever and ever while you skip through a field of daisies. I think it takes effort and commitment and determination to make something work every day. Which is probably why Duncan and Veronica's relationship leaves me so cold - I don't think that they had a prayer in the long run because they didn't bother with the relationship at all. And it's also why that fortune is so perfect for them and what they had - an overwrought sentiment for a relationship that only lives in their heads.

[itmustbetuesday]

I agree.

I still like the icon, though :P

[girlcontinuum]

That message looks like something that came straight out of a platitude-a-day calendar and it forces me to remember DR, so no, thanks.

[_jems_]

I don't really find it all that romantic in the first place, because it's all about remaining static, when we as people change constantly. So the only way for a "love story" to remain frozen in stasis is for there never to be any interaction between the two participants. And in my opinion that's the only way V/D will ever work as a love story, because if they aren't forced to interact they won't ever have to face certain facts about each other.

[girlcontinuum]

It's not about loving each other, but loving the idea of each other. Which is what Veronica/Duncan is all about, and Duncan is all about. In a way, it was the best message they could have come up with for the fortune cookie, because it pretty much sums up why I dislike VD 2.0 so much, but it's the opposite of everything I expect from V/L. Or any relationship, real or fictional, really.

[_jems_]

Really, when a relationship consists of "I'm going to ignore every single thing that shaped me into the person that I am today just so I can be with you", then how can that ever be real? Or worthwhile, for that matter.

[lapses]

Does true love, or even the idea of it, exist in noir anyway? I can see using the fortune cookie for V/L as an OH SNAP! kind of deal, but I don't believe it applies to them at all. You can't easily categorise their relationship, past, present or future, and I love that about them.

I could see why Veronica and Duncan might think they love(d) each other, but I didn't actually see it. To me, they were presented as a high school romance. I don't believe they have what it takes to overcome the obstacles (HI CELESTE!) they face in order to have a strong and committed relationship.

[_jems_]

I wouldn't know, I barely know more than the most superficial of traits for noir. But I can't imagine it would be a very worthwhile emotion for the realm of noir in either case.

To me, V/D in season 2 wasn't even a high school romance, it looked more like the relationship of two middle-aged estranged high school sweethearts who try so very desperately to rekindle something that they've moved past many years before.

Of course, if they'd ever bothered to talk about a single issue that they had between them I might have been more inclined to not just think of the relationship as smoke and mirrors. But since we got what we got I'm never ever going to buy that theirs is some kind of special love. I don't think it can be when it isn't even real.

[lapses]

The complete lack of communication between them is what boggles my mind and will continue to do so until... the end of time. Two people who avoidance issues will never have a good relationship.

RT did make me laugh (not in a good way) when he said that he thought that last season, the show got a litle too mushy or soft (in regards to V/L, pretty much) and then he has the fortune cookie brought up in both of his episodes. Give me V/L snarking on the couch over teddy bears than fortune cookies any day. At least, V/L can realise how cheesy teddy bears are.

[miriam]

Heh, in German it is very similar.

Chef means boss, and cook is Koch. ;)

But unlike you, we Germans don't laugh about Brad Pitt but Johnny Depp.
Because Depp means idiot or moron. ;)

[_jems_]

Hee! I love languages.

[sexycereal]

In my opinion, it's way too juvenile and simplistic a phrase to ever encompass all that they are (and hopefully will be) to each other.

But is exactly the reason I love it in connection with V/D. Doomed, naive and utterly hopeless. It makes their relationship even more of an immature joke.

[_jems_]

Oh, I meant that when applied to V/L it's way too juvenile and simplistic. When applied to V/D it's just juvenile and simplistic enough. Heh!

[sexycereal]

Oh I got that! I just meant that ironically although it's horrible for V/L it's kind of perfect (in an evil way!) for V/D.

[_jems_]

Okay. Your comment confused me a bit. But that may be because of this splitting headache that makes thinking kind of a problem.

And like I just said downthread, if that's really how you view V/L, then you're probably better off 'shipping V/D. V/L is always going to be hard and they're going to have to work for any happiness they achieve. But it'll be real and genuine, and it'll be worth it. I hope.