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upupa_epops

TVD 4x02, Memorial

Oct 21, 2012 01:49

I promised real thoughts on this episode, so here it goes ;). I'm terribly late with replying to comments and reading other episode reactions, I know. It's just that school started, real life takes up a lot of time, and when I actually have some internet time, I try to write fic. I'll do my best to be less late, but I'm not sure if I can catch up ( Read more... )

note to self: less talk, fictional vampires ruin my life, yes i'm always like that, elena gilbert is amazing, damon omg damon, dear lord, how unfortunate, fandom: the vampire diaries, caroline forbes is awesome

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magisterequitum October 21 2012, 02:15:35 UTC

I will burn everything to the ground if we don't see Elena viscously reacting against this S/E stuff. I WILL I SWEAR. because the way it's set up right now, is everything you said. (Also, I really just can't pretend to forget S3 and all the shit that Stefan did like the show wants me to)

I loved that Caroline got a part in Elena this episode. NOW BONNIE TOO PLEASE. And how much did Bonnie's depression cut me? so much so. :(((

intrikate88 October 21 2012, 03:00:27 UTC

lolling at your use of "viscously reacting", Elena has already had quite a few viscous reactions in 4x02, ruined a dress with one of them.

/dumb

magisterequitum October 21 2012, 03:07:45 UTC

haha, true!

but slightly more like giving in to her anger and depression and such

upupa_epops October 21 2012, 10:31:24 UTC

I will burn everything to the ground if we don't see Elena viscously reacting against this S/E stuff.

To quote my friend, ARSON IS OUR ONLY OPTION! ;) But I'm with you, if this doesn't happened, I am ready to have my pitchforks out.

I get why Elena forgets all the shit Stefan did, and I kind of like that she does? This is what Good Girls do, they forgive all the wrong and try to tell themselves they're less important, that they should get over this already, that maintaining the r/ship is more important than their well-being. So I'm cool with Elena's behavior, it's realistic... as long as I believe we'll get a huge, glaring acknowledgement of the abuse after her relationship with Stefan falls apart.

rouleeng October 21 2012, 02:26:11 UTC

So far I only have two setting when it comes to the 4th season: Damon is perfect and Elena is awesome.

Yeah, ALL THE FEELS.

upupa_epops October 21 2012, 10:23:48 UTC

World according to Ania, I like it XD.

rouleeng October 21 2012, 11:23:16 UTC

I don't know why but I love Elena a lot more than I did before. I want her to be with Damon for a while and then say, "Stefan, Damon, I need a fucking break from the both of you. Go deal with your issues and let me be AWESOME."

(BTW, Alaric, I miss you...)

upupa_epops October 21 2012, 11:53:53 UTC

That would be because she's glorious, and wonderful, and Elena. Excuse me while I'm having emotions :(.

disettes October 21 2012, 03:12:33 UTC

you are basically the best person to ever have on my flist bc i live in a constant hell of worry that the show is doing all of this and somehow NOT AWARE OF IT????????????????????? like i am alwyas on the edge of my seat in fear that the writers think stefan is actually a good guy but this meta ughlsjdflsjfl j it makes me hope its just so perfect and articulate and wow can i take it out to dinner?

upupa_epops October 21 2012, 10:23:18 UTC

Lol, thank you. This post graciously accepts ;).

intrikate88 October 21 2012, 03:32:20 UTC

Showing up to be the one oblig S/E shipper (sort of?) to write a comment... okay, not that I'm still really a shipper after last season, but they're cute together! And I think that's kind of what you're seeing and what the show is demonstrating-- new not-life for Elena, new circumstances with doppelganger worries out of the way, time to wipe the slate clean and be the couple they were when the show began... but it's only a shadow of it, really. Stefan is trying to be very conscious of Elena's choice and how he respected it even when it resulted in her death, and at the same time he is deciding how she's going to feed and survive and feel about things. Stefan and Elena try to make each other happy... but they're doing it by not mentioning the things that make them unhappy. They've gone from people who talked through their problems and deal with them to two people acting out the relationship they had before they lost a lot of innocence. And even though I'm about a season past shipping Elena with ANYONE because they all suck, I would be ( ... )

upupa_epops October 21 2012, 10:22:26 UTC

See, S/E stopped being cute to me a good while ago, now it's just terrifying. I really had a visceral reaction to the animal hunt last episode, when Elena cried after she fed on a deer. She was just so hungry and miserable, I want to feed her and make her not worried ( ... )

intrikate88 October 21 2012, 13:36:52 UTC

You're very right about there being no good choice in 3x22- which is a symbol of them all growing up, I think, that they're losing the option of choosing the right thing to do; there are no right and wrong sides, just a maze of many people navigating and negotiating their very human desires and aims, and the clashes between those. Part of that was why I got a bit fed up with Klaus last season, because he was grandstanding as the Big Bad, but there were enough "small" dynamics going on that the big evil villain trying to take over was almost unnecessary ( ... )

upupa_epops October 28 2012, 11:42:01 UTC

The two of them are more evenly matched; if Damon had chosen to stake himself and get it over with, he could have, and he probably could have mustered up enough fight to keep Stefan from leaving to go to Klaus.

They usually are, but not that day. Stefan surprised Damon, who was already weakened and feverish, and locked him up in a vampire-proof cellar. In 2x22, Damon was just as helpless as Elena in 3x22 (and 2x20, for that matter, when Damon force-fed her blood).

The problem is that this conflict is not only about agency. There are other values coming into play (like life and love), and I don't think agency can be treated as the ultimate criterium to distinguish between right and wrong.

angearia October 21 2012, 03:44:28 UTC

YAY meta! Elena-centric meta <3

Extreme Shipper Bias Time: is it just me, or was the S/E library scene a deliberate mirror of the 3x05 D/E scene? Elena is sitting in the same armchair, and a Salvatore is fixing her a drink. The difference is, Damon in 3x05 was wired and worried, kept close to her, offered some comforting touch. Stefan here practically throws her drink at her, he's annoyed and visibly separated from her (stands by the table instead of sitting next to her, the way Damon did).

Trust tumblr to be all over this too :)

Also, was it just me, or was Elena on the fence with the whole lantern thing?

She seemed reluctant to me, too.

Shoot me, but the blood sharing scene was a bit disappointing? Something was off for me. I really liked the writing, but something went wrong with the visual. Either Nina and Ian overdid a bit with the facial expressions, or it is just that everyone looks ridiculous while biting into someone's palm, and I should get over it ;).Haha maybe it's just me, but I thought it felt really genuine. I ( ... )

upupa_epops October 21 2012, 09:57:48 UTC

You can always count on me to word-vomit about Elena :(. #predictable

Oooh, thanks for sharing that gifset! I'm staying clear of tumblr for a few days, because things got a bit crazy there, so I probably wouldn't have found it myself <333333.

Including Damon's stupid face b/c damn, people make stupid faces when they're feeling turned on.

LOL, true. Huh, I feel kind of convinced, I might be forced to start liking it now ;).

angearia October 21 2012, 11:01:54 UTC

You can always count on me to word-vomit about Elena :(. #predictable

Never change, you.

So, any thoughts on Elena's line about not being good at track? I might be fixating on this tiny little detail, but it struck me as so strange for her to be reluctant about running when she's been running as a means of building her strength for nearly two seasons now. That whole line about "I was a cheerleader" -- just seems to tie into her pretending to be someone else when she's with Stefan. I also really enjoyed realizing that one of the biggest ways Stefan helps Elena is at the funeral and it's be helping her convey this illusion of a normal girl caught in grief, not a starving vampire. Just more illusion.

LOL, true. Huh, I feel kind of convinced, I might be forced to start liking it now ;).

Force? Never. Tempted? Who can resist awkward sex faces, honestly.

upupa_epops October 21 2012, 12:21:50 UTC

Never change, you.

I don't think I will :(.

Frankly, I didn't really pay attention to the "not being good at track" thing, because I have no idea what that means XD. I don't know a thing about cheerleading, so the whole metaphor is lost to me. But it didn't seem like she was reluctant to run? More like she was being girly and giddy. New vampire, enhanced senses, no attention span.

I also really enjoyed realizing that one of the biggest ways Stefan helps Elena is at the funeral and it's be helping her convey this illusion of a normal girl caught in grief, not a starving vampire.

Ooooh, I like this!

Who can resist awkward sex faces, honestly.

No one should ;).