Knight Rider recs, part one.

Jul 15, 2009 04:37

MUAhahahaha! Knight Rider slash! Told you I wasn't kidding. (Warning: Recs contain excerpts and some plot details.)

Oh, Michael, do I look just dreadful? )

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illeryana July 15 2009, 13:18:19 UTC
Funny to see you posting this - KR was the slash I was reading right before BttF.

I'm not sure if you finished reading Chasing Midnight, but Kitt does end up back in the car, and there are a few more fics in the series with Kitt in the car. He does end up permanently in the android though. Sorry if you already know this.

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squonkfan July 15 2009, 21:54:18 UTC
Seems we have similar slash sensibilities! Very cool, especially as BTTF and KR aren't especially common slash interests in and of themselves, let alone in combination. KR certainly has more material, though, thanks in no small part to these two authors.

Sorry if you already know this.

You know, I had not, and will edit the entry to reflect it. I just freaked and didn't even bother to skim the last couple of chapters. It looks like KITT returns to the car until Calculating Pi, is that right?

I'm still not sure how I feel about this AU, though. I admit that I still haven't read as carefully as I could, but it seems like the emotion doesn't come through as well as it does in Fire & Ice and it really needs to, given the subject matter. Might just be my own bias--I really can't get past KITT having been an android. I will take a more patient look at some of the stories after CM and prior to PiWhat I would really be into seeing is Nick/KARR, even by "accident" (whoops! The link was open! Or something) because that would be ( ... )

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illeryana July 16 2009, 13:59:50 UTC
Yeah, when I saw you post this, I was confused for a second. It was like, I thought that person (girl?) was here for a different fandom. Anyway, yes, there is a lot of KR slash, but not much variety. Most of the slash is from 2 or 3 people, so you don't get many different takes on the dynamics of the relationship. And a lot of the slash has Kitt in a human form, either via an android, or a virtual reality system, or somehow getting transferred to an actual human body. So I suppose none of that would interest you. I think I've pretty much read it all, and while it is hot (to me anyway), I guess it is pretty far removed from the actual characters in the show. But they were kind of shallow anyway, so to write a story with any depth you've got to add something ( ... )

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squonkfan July 17 2009, 17:09:30 UTC
It was like, I thought that person (girl?) was here for a different fandom.

Girl. :) I’ve always been a KR fan, but admittedly just started getting into the fanfic in a serious way more recently, after I d/led a few of my favorite episodes from iTunes. I was happy and surprised to see you respond to my post! Hadn’t noticed the KR interest and comm in your profile before.

But they were kind of shallow anyway, so to write a story with any depth you've got to add something.I always thought that William Daniels and Patricia McPherson were able to give Kitt and Bonnie some three-dimensionality. They were talented enough that they could inject some nuance into their characters’ personalities, despite the best efforts of the writing. David Hasselhoff, I feel like, had almost the opposite problem: They would actually try to give Michael some complexity once in a while, but Hasselhoff himself conveyed all the complexity of a popsicle stick. Definitely as far as he’s concerned, there’s not much in the source material to go on if you’re ( ... )

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illeryana July 17 2009, 18:24:42 UTC
I actually have one friend who thinks (or maybe he was just humoring me - either way we had a lengthy conversation about this) that Doc was totally a sexual predator when it came to Marty - taking advantage of the fact Marty would probably be attracted to an authority figure in his life, making him presents, having a garage full of stuff that would be of interest to Marty, etc. I don't know if I actually buy that, but it would be interesting to explore in a fic. I sometimes like fics that explore a different take on the relationship just to see how it'd play out. I don't know that I'd want to see a whole long arc or series, but one is interesting ( ... )

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squonkfan July 18 2009, 10:41:37 UTC
Doc/Marty: The relationship as it stands already clearly fills a very strong need in both of them, and while it's hard to imagine Doc exactly plotting for it to become sexual, I can absolutely see it morphing into that. It makes more sense than not that the attachment of a male teenager with severely dysfunctional family dynamics, self-confidence issues, and thoroughly weak male role models to an older, high-energy, affectionate male would get…very complicated, regardless of whether either of them intended it that way. Then you get to decide what you think about such a relationship, what constitutes consent, legal versus moral stances, emotional effects, etc. Some people would argue that because of the age difference, the relationship's becoming sexual would automatically make Doc a predator, regardless of intention or initiation. As a generalization I disagree with that, even though age does matter ( ... )

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illeryana July 18 2009, 21:57:29 UTC
I agree with all that about the Doc/Marty thing. I think part of the reason I'm so fascinated (and a little embarrassed) by it is that back in the day when I was Marty's age I had this huge crush for this guy I worked for. He was only in his 40s, but it's still a pretty big age gap. So I totally think it's believable that Marty would be interested. And when I was that age, I possibly would have been happy for something like that to happen, but looking back I'm glad that absolutely nothing happened. But then again, my life was quite a bit better than Marty's, and something like that could have really messed me up. Marty seems pretty screwed already what with his shitty family and seemingly very little potential for improvement (which I've always wondered - are we supposed to believe at the beginning of the movie that Marty's music career could potentially go somewhere, or are we supposed to assume that it's just an adolescent delusion and he's on his way to living indefinitely with his parents and working at McDonalds). Sorry if ( ... )

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illeryana July 19 2009, 03:26:16 UTC
So just curious - and I understand if you don't want to give away more plot details of your story - but I'm curious by what you mean when you say Doc does not react well. Do you mean he does not react well to losing the love of his life (who he's know for a whole two days or something) and to Marty's generally being a cock block, or do you mean he does not react well to returning to 1985 Hill Valley where he's apparently a social outcast and loser and leaving behind Hill Valley of 1885 where he seemed to be quite well respected and well liked and an integral part of the community? Maybe I'm just seeing things, but Doc seemed to have changed in the 9 months he was there. He seemed very different by the end of the last movie. I really feel for Marty though. He seems almost worse off by the end of the series than he was at the beginning. It seems he still has all his memories and psychological problems from the original timeline, but now he's also going to be completely disoriented and disconnected from everyone he knows.

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squonkfan August 15 2009, 05:57:50 UTC
Uh, yeah, so like three weeks later... I apologize for cutting this conversation off so abruptly, as I do want to continue it; I just got totally eaten by school. All papers are turned in now, finally.

First, I meant to say a couple of replies ago, re: the idea of Kitt/Michael/Karr/Nick and Karr's potential freakage:

I don't know exactly how much Karr knows about what goes on with Kitt and Michael and Nick and Alex sexually. He can definitely tell when they're doing it. It seems like most of the blocking during those times is on his end. But it seems like it's because he's disinterested and doesn't want to be bothered and because he wants to respect their privacy, and not because it freaks him out.

It might not be his conscious motivation for blocking out Nick/Alex, true, but I can't imagine he wouldn't be freaked if he were for some reason unable to block them, or at least if he were unable to block Michael/Kitt, and then Nick received it in turn. I do like the part in...I think maybe Calculating Pi when Nick vehemently states ( ... )

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illeryana August 15 2009, 21:59:35 UTC
Nick/Karr/Michael/Kitt - Yes, what you say is probably all true. Though I think it would freak Karr out if there was ANYTHING that we was unable to block if he chose too. He seems to be a very guarded and private person. I think in that interaction you mentioned that Karr was mostly joking about being hurt and offended. He did lighten up and develop a little sense of humor, but I'm sure underneath it all he may actually feel a little rejected. It would be cool to see a believable romance with Karr. I don't really see who it could be other than Kitt though, since I can't see him opening up to an outsider. I haven't thought a whole lot about this recently though ( ... )

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part 2 illeryana August 15 2009, 22:03:32 UTC
BttF - So do you think that at the beginning of BttF1 ( ... )

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Re: part 2 squonkfan August 20 2009, 03:05:30 UTC
I did see the story with the virtual reality environment. I skimmed it a bit, but no, not really my thing. I found the Test Run and Fields of Exploration fics to be laughable and hot at the same time. Their uniqueness turns me on enough that I can sort of overlook the horrible writing, not to mention the leaking oil--LOL. I never quite imagined anything like that scenario when I went looking for KR slash; I expected more like Auto-Erotica and Sara's series. What's funny is that I think Kitt may be more in character in TR and FoE than he is in Gryph or elfin's stories. Or at least I can certainly hear him better.

Sure, if you could e-mail me that short Dividing Line WIP at squonkfan at livejournal, that'd be great.

I'd like to see a story where Kitt gets really resentful about being taken for granted by this dumbass that he's programmed to aid and protect at all costs, and then starts playing all kinds of mind games with Michael so that he's alienated from all other people and just has Kitt and is obsessed with Kitt.I feel like ( ... )

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Re: part 2 illeryana August 20 2009, 17:13:10 UTC
I sent the story. Wish I had more to recommend to you. The same author did write a story or two in the CMAU universe with Kitt still in the car. If you haven't found it and want to read it let me know. I doubt you'd be crazy about it. Now that I'm not really into the KR thing anymore, looking back on it, there isn't a lot of really great stuff out there. Is that story you're talking about by Beth the one where Michael sings him a long song at the end? That was rough - I think my tolerance for smarm has decreased over the years ( ... )

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Re: part 2 squonkfan August 30 2009, 05:07:46 UTC
I sent the story. Wish I had more to recommend to you.

Oh, wow, this snippet totally did make me wish that there had been more. Thanks for sending it! (It landed in my spam box initially, so it took me a while to find it and fish it out.) I would have loved to see the consequences of Karr's little plan. I assumed the memory he would be revealing was of Kitt/Michael; OTOH, I'm not sure how this would corrupt Kitt in Paul's eyes--didn't Kitt say Paul had attempted the same thing at one point? Or does Karr not know that? Or did I misinterpret the thing completely?

I think there are some pretty good ideas out there in KR ficland, but unfortunately, what there aren't is a lot of good writers. Which is too bad. The Beth C. story I was talking about is indeed the one where Michael sings to him--LOL, yeah, it was rough. I think I actually went, "ACK!" aloud when I hit that part. At least it has Kitt sticking up for himself and not acting like a willing sacrificial lamb for Michael's antics. It would be nice to see more of that. ( ... )

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Re: part 2 illeryana August 31 2009, 00:39:04 UTC
Dividing Line: I'm almost certain that is the memory that Karr is referring to. So I guess it would have backfired with Paul. I thought he was also planning to tell pretty much everyone, so that Michael would be humiliated and alienated from the Foundation too. But I guess the world will never know ( ... )

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Cont'd squonkfan August 30 2009, 05:08:20 UTC
I didn't find your chats about Michael and the ladies, but I also haven't read all of Sara's ep recaps because I don't remember a lot of the canon and don't want to be spoiled for my intended re-watch. :) I tried to look for posts with a lot of replies, but the only one I found was the gender/sexuality discussion. Kitt really is very queeny, moreso in the first season IIRC--his voice gets a little crisper or snappier as the series goes on, doesn't it? He stays full of serious camp, though, and yeah, Michael doesn't really blink at it except in a more general, banter-y kind of way. Android-wse, though, I don't think Michael could deal with Kitt in an anatomically female body. To him that's not Kitt. That said, I think a clearly effeminate male android would freak him out just as much. Probably Kitt's mucho macho car form is part of what allows Michael to accept the rather incongrous prissy voice. Or, perhaps, is it that very combination that actually attracts Michael? His attraction to boringly wholesome women is so dull. I'd ( ... )

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