I sent the story. Wish I had more to recommend to you.
Oh, wow, this snippet totally did make me wish that there had been more. Thanks for sending it! (It landed in my spam box initially, so it took me a while to find it and fish it out.) I would have loved to see the consequences of Karr's little plan. I assumed the memory he would be revealing was of Kitt/Michael; OTOH, I'm not sure how this would corrupt Kitt in Paul's eyes--didn't Kitt say Paul had attempted the same thing at one point? Or does Karr not know that? Or did I misinterpret the thing completely?
I think there are some pretty good ideas out there in KR ficland, but unfortunately, what there aren't is a lot of good writers. Which is too bad. The Beth C. story I was talking about is indeed the one where Michael sings to him--LOL, yeah, it was rough. I think I actually went, "ACK!" aloud when I hit that part. At least it has Kitt sticking up for himself and not acting like a willing sacrificial lamb for Michael's antics. It would be nice to see more of that. Michael needs a kick in his hot, tight ass. Generally, though, I'm still a huge sucker for hurt/comfort...that is, for well done hurt/comfort. I'm not sure if the term "smarm" inherently connotes sucky writing. I mean, to an extent I actually look for smarm or at least h/c in my stories, that's what I want and that's what I write, too. But h/c that is completely unwarranted for the character/situation and/or is just plain goofy can be seriously painful and even embarrassing to read. Is that what you mean when you use the term smarm? I think it may have had a bit broader of a meaning back in the fannish day.
I've been reading gumnut's gen stuff. I like some of it--I think A Dose of Sun and Surf is actually very, very good, disciplined and suspenseful and evocative. But some of the work she classifies as finished feels sloppy to me. (I also wish she wouldn't stick silly A/N at the end of her stories--gah, that makes me crazy. I absolutely cannot approach a piece seriously, or commit myself to the universe/mood you've created, if you're going to be all, "Hope you liked it, wrote it at work, LOL!" after the last sentence. Those things go at the beginning for a reason.)
Speaking of smarm - have you read any of those BttF stories - can't recall the author - where Marty is crying ALL THE TIME? Yowza - what's with that!?
*laugh* That was on fanfiction.net, right? Yeah. Speaking of embarrassing. But I totally got where that author was coming from, psychologically. I mean, she was clearly like fifteen or something and I actually admired her for basically being all, "These fics are going to be about Marty crying a lot. So there you are." I remember having fannish fantasies like that when I was a kid, and as an h/c fan I still do in a different kind of way. She just decided to let it all hang out there, and I bet it was super therapeutic and felt really soothing and wonderful to do. Good for her. Not that it lessens that horribleness of the text or the need to bleach my brain afterward.
Dividing Line: I'm almost certain that is the memory that Karr is referring to. So I guess it would have backfired with Paul. I thought he was also planning to tell pretty much everyone, so that Michael would be humiliated and alienated from the Foundation too. But I guess the world will never know.
I guess what I mean by smarm is overly sentimental stuff. People singing and crying when it's out of character and not really called for in the situation. Gen writers who don't believe in slash but still have the characters hugging and crying all over each other. It just doesn't seem that realistic to me. And maybe that's just something about my personality. I've never felt the urge to be that sentimental with someone who's just a friend - even a good friend. Or sometimes fics set up this really improbable and totally unrealistic scenarios just to get the characters all worked up and crying. I don't mind well done h/c. Though I think I like angst more. Maybe they're the same thing. I guess by angst I mean the characters having to overcome a lot of social or psychological or logistic barriers to get together. Like two generally heterosexual characters who slowly come to the realization that they're more than friends. That's why I love reading first time stories. And I think sometimes h/c scenarios can bring about that realization for the characters. I thought Beyond Loyalty (of Fire and Ice) was a little overboard. It was okay the first time I read it, but it was a little much the second. There is a BttF story about Marty getting kidnapped and tortured by Doc's evil twin. I just couldn't get into that.
I like some of Gumnut's stuff too. That story sounds familiar, but I don't seem to have it saved, so I don't remember it exactly. I didn't necessarily find her stuff unfinished sounding. I thought Sara's stuff had more of an unfinished quality, but I could never put my finger on exactly why I thought that or what would make it better. It just felt like it needed to be fleshed out. Have you read Animism? It's not really a story - more a reflection, but you would probably like it. I don't think the author ever wrote anything else though.
Yeah, I give anyone props for having the guts to put their writing on the net. Doesn't mean I'm going to be able to read it though. That author definitely falls into the smarm category for me.
Oh, wow, this snippet totally did make me wish that there had been more. Thanks for sending it! (It landed in my spam box initially, so it took me a while to find it and fish it out.) I would have loved to see the consequences of Karr's little plan. I assumed the memory he would be revealing was of Kitt/Michael; OTOH, I'm not sure how this would corrupt Kitt in Paul's eyes--didn't Kitt say Paul had attempted the same thing at one point? Or does Karr not know that? Or did I misinterpret the thing completely?
I think there are some pretty good ideas out there in KR ficland, but unfortunately, what there aren't is a lot of good writers. Which is too bad. The Beth C. story I was talking about is indeed the one where Michael sings to him--LOL, yeah, it was rough. I think I actually went, "ACK!" aloud when I hit that part. At least it has Kitt sticking up for himself and not acting like a willing sacrificial lamb for Michael's antics. It would be nice to see more of that. Michael needs a kick in his hot, tight ass. Generally, though, I'm still a huge sucker for hurt/comfort...that is, for well done hurt/comfort. I'm not sure if the term "smarm" inherently connotes sucky writing. I mean, to an extent I actually look for smarm or at least h/c in my stories, that's what I want and that's what I write, too. But h/c that is completely unwarranted for the character/situation and/or is just plain goofy can be seriously painful and even embarrassing to read. Is that what you mean when you use the term smarm? I think it may have had a bit broader of a meaning back in the fannish day.
I've been reading gumnut's gen stuff. I like some of it--I think A Dose of Sun and Surf is actually very, very good, disciplined and suspenseful and evocative. But some of the work she classifies as finished feels sloppy to me. (I also wish she wouldn't stick silly A/N at the end of her stories--gah, that makes me crazy. I absolutely cannot approach a piece seriously, or commit myself to the universe/mood you've created, if you're going to be all, "Hope you liked it, wrote it at work, LOL!" after the last sentence. Those things go at the beginning for a reason.)
Speaking of smarm - have you read any of those BttF stories - can't recall the author - where Marty is crying ALL THE TIME? Yowza - what's with that!?
*laugh* That was on fanfiction.net, right? Yeah. Speaking of embarrassing. But I totally got where that author was coming from, psychologically. I mean, she was clearly like fifteen or something and I actually admired her for basically being all, "These fics are going to be about Marty crying a lot. So there you are." I remember having fannish fantasies like that when I was a kid, and as an h/c fan I still do in a different kind of way. She just decided to let it all hang out there, and I bet it was super therapeutic and felt really soothing and wonderful to do. Good for her. Not that it lessens that horribleness of the text or the need to bleach my brain afterward.
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I guess what I mean by smarm is overly sentimental stuff. People singing and crying when it's out of character and not really called for in the situation. Gen writers who don't believe in slash but still have the characters hugging and crying all over each other. It just doesn't seem that realistic to me. And maybe that's just something about my personality. I've never felt the urge to be that sentimental with someone who's just a friend - even a good friend. Or sometimes fics set up this really improbable and totally unrealistic scenarios just to get the characters all worked up and crying. I don't mind well done h/c. Though I think I like angst more. Maybe they're the same thing. I guess by angst I mean the characters having to overcome a lot of social or psychological or logistic barriers to get together. Like two generally heterosexual characters who slowly come to the realization that they're more than friends. That's why I love reading first time stories. And I think sometimes h/c scenarios can bring about that realization for the characters. I thought Beyond Loyalty (of Fire and Ice) was a little overboard. It was okay the first time I read it, but it was a little much the second. There is a BttF story about Marty getting kidnapped and tortured by Doc's evil twin. I just couldn't get into that.
I like some of Gumnut's stuff too. That story sounds familiar, but I don't seem to have it saved, so I don't remember it exactly. I didn't necessarily find her stuff unfinished sounding. I thought Sara's stuff had more of an unfinished quality, but I could never put my finger on exactly why I thought that or what would make it better. It just felt like it needed to be fleshed out. Have you read Animism? It's not really a story - more a reflection, but you would probably like it. I don't think the author ever wrote anything else though.
Yeah, I give anyone props for having the guts to put their writing on the net. Doesn't mean I'm going to be able to read it though. That author definitely falls into the smarm category for me.
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