Dude, I could rant on this for some time...basswhooperNovember 29 2005, 02:02:22 UTC
... But I won't. I will, however, say that your point above is one of the best arguments against the Unitarian Universalist (and ELCA?) belief that, "Whether you call God Allah, I AM, Budda, Krishna, whatever... It's all the same God."
BULL!!!
If you agree that there is a God, then given His omnipotence (and lack of capitulation to our desires regarding His nature), would all of His edicts and moral systems (i.e.- the holy writings of all religions) be identical? Sure they would. And the fact that they are not is, to me, evidence that it is NOT all the same God.
Re: Dude, I could rant on this for some time...tv_elfNovember 29 2005, 03:25:16 UTC
Yet, I respectfully disagree. (Oh, c'mon, you knew I would.;)
Some people see me as the playful jokester others see me as the no-nonsense worker. I am both. And more. I do not think God is Buddah or Krishna or the goddess. But I do think God is Y-w-h is Allah. Just seen through different eyes and translated by misogynistic men. (Which is a discussion for another day.)
Good to hear from you...basswhooperNovember 29 2005, 23:37:29 UTC
One of my favorite arguments against the Yahweh is Allah statement came from a friend who is now an atheist. (moriarty6.It's a long story...)
Before becoming an atheist, he once stated "Any God incapable of getting His word to us is not worth worshipping." I.E.- God either is or isn't all-powerful. If He indeed is (as I believe), then misogynistic men, political machinations, personal preferences, different eyes, mistranslations (intentional and accidental) can in no way overcome His power and His will to make himself truly known to us.
Let me say (as respectfully as I know how) that your view:
A) limits God's power (if he cannot get His unadulterated word to us), and:
B) is an attempt by humans to horn in on His work and His glory. (Yeah, God's there and he's done some stuff, but I just so happened to be smart enough to winnow through the wheat and the chaff to get at the TRUTH.)
While I am a staunch Libertarian and would fight and die for your right to believe differently than I do, as a Christian who believes that El Shaddai means El Shaddai,
( ... )
Re: Good to hear from you...tv_elfNovember 30 2005, 00:33:15 UTC
New Hampshire abstains... courteously. ;) Yes, I've seen 1776 too often.
I think His Word gets to people. I also think He made a huge mistake... He made us stubborn fools. It isn't that He is incapable of getting His Word to us. It's that we stick our fingers in our ears and sing "lalala can't hear you." When of course, we CAN hear. We just might not want to...
I don't think misogynistic men, politics, or anything can overcome His power. I think they can be noisy and obnoxious and they will try to horn in on His glory. It's not being "smart enough" to hear His Word. It is God whapping you upside the head with a clue bat.
BULL!!!
If you agree that there is a God, then given His omnipotence (and lack of capitulation to our desires regarding His nature), would all of His edicts and moral systems (i.e.- the holy writings of all religions) be identical? Sure they would. And the fact that they are not is, to me, evidence that it is NOT all the same God.
Well said, man.
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Some people see me as the playful jokester others see me as the no-nonsense worker. I am both. And more. I do not think God is Buddah or Krishna or the goddess. But I do think God is Y-w-h is Allah. Just seen through different eyes and translated by misogynistic men. (Which is a discussion for another day.)
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Before becoming an atheist, he once stated "Any God incapable of getting His word to us is not worth worshipping." I.E.- God either is or isn't all-powerful. If He indeed is (as I believe), then misogynistic men, political machinations, personal preferences, different eyes, mistranslations (intentional and accidental) can in no way overcome His power and His will to make himself truly known to us.
Let me say (as respectfully as I know how) that your view:
A) limits God's power (if he cannot get His unadulterated word to us), and:
B) is an attempt by humans to horn in on His work and His glory. (Yeah, God's there and he's done some stuff, but I just so happened to be smart enough to winnow through the wheat and the chaff to get at the TRUTH.)
While I am a staunch Libertarian and would fight and die for your right to believe differently than I do, as a Christian who believes that El Shaddai means El Shaddai, ( ... )
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I think His Word gets to people. I also think He made a huge mistake... He made us stubborn fools. It isn't that He is incapable of getting His Word to us. It's that we stick our fingers in our ears and sing "lalala can't hear you." When of course, we CAN hear. We just might not want to...
I don't think misogynistic men, politics, or anything can overcome His power. I think they can be noisy and obnoxious and they will try to horn in on His glory. It's not being "smart enough" to hear His Word. It is God whapping you upside the head with a clue bat.
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