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[moominmuppet]

Finishing up clearing out email now that I'm home:

Canon and Sheep Shit: Why We Fight.
I hate the Doctor Who canon like Dawkins hates God.

Like him, I'm convinced the target of my animus doesn't exist, but that doesn't stop me spending half my life writing about how dreadful it is. (from marnanel)

Road Kill: It's Fresh, It's Organic, It's Free --

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[tasharowan]

So I clicked the Feministe link, in part because of the mention of Stockholm Syndrome. I've never heard of it before. I read that post, but no explanation. So I clicked the link "Stockholm Syndrome." Dear god I want to strangle whose ever blog that is. I don't think I've heard anything so disgusting since I was working on a project involving porn in college. Why the fuck do these people think they have any right to speak for another person? How dare anyone oppose their view! I would question their humanity, but unfortunately, I only know humans to be that stupid.

And I still don't know what Stockholm Syndrome is.

[moominmuppet]

Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

And yes, that argument makes me every bit as angry as the fundies at the clinics who regularly argue "you just don't know any better" and "what have they done to corrupt your mind?" and the ever-patronizing "I'll pray for you" (which, in this context, means asking their imaginary dude to override my beliefs against my will, and which I therefore find a fundamentally invasive and overwhelmingly arrogant act).

[minniethemoocha]

I saw an episode of DYAO by accident last week and loved it. I thought Marissa was hot and cute, I thought the contestants were hot and cute, and I thought the costumes were not ill fitting or trashy (they're DANCE costumes -- dance costumes are sometimes a little gaudy). Also the partners seemed not skinny and I enjoyed watching people who hadn't been able to do, say, deep squats, pole pullups or dips before get confident and strong enough to do so with attitude. I didn't find the judges mean or patronizing especially by reality TV standards. Marketing a show that seems less about weight loss than about becoming mobile and confident in one's sex appeal doesn't seem evil to me. A drop of 2 to 4 pounds in a week, which is what many of them seem to accomplish on these "drastic" diet and exercise regimes, is not beyond the pale -- I've done it myself without becoming unhealthy when I wanted to lose weight. And losing weight a little at a time while the main goal seems to be improving strength, muscle control, endurance, and grace

[moominmuppet]

We may simply be coming from different perspectives. I'm unlikely to give "benefit of the doubt" to any competitive weight-loss show (and when it's part of the scoring, and especially when they're intentionally dramatizing that element by creating a house full of "evil temptations", I can't see it as anything else). I think they're fundamentally fucked up, and capitalize on fatphobia in all sorts of ways.

[minniethemoocha]

Eh, like I said, I just watched a couple of epis, so I didn't get a chance to see the parts about the "bad food" or shaming tactics. I just liked that the coaching was towards physical grace in people who had no dance background, and that contestants were encouraged to feel sexy and good in the bodies that they had at the moment, even if they did strongly wish to lose weight. That and I think a couple of the people on the show are total eye candy, so perhaps I just saw what I wanted to see. I realize also that my comment might have sounded really assy, given how much you dislike the show, so although I had a different experience, I want to be clear that I am NOT trying to erase or invalidate yours. :-*

[moominmuppet]

No worries!

I think it's frustrating me particularly, because I'd dearly love to see a dance show like this if it weren't weight-loss focused.

[heron61]

Open Thread: When Art and Ideals Collide

I don't have much trouble with this, largely because I've found serious (modern) misogynists and homophobes (like Card) tend to be sufficiently annoying in their storytelling that I'm rarely interested in the stories they tell. I'll put up with mild problems, and I'll easily put up with anything that isn't exceedingly egregious from work that's from before 1970, but anything after 1980 that's into the sort of serious misogyny or homophobia territory (from my PoV, one or both of these describes all of Card's work) is something that I have no interest in. I've regularly put down a book out of annoyance or boredom and then later found that the author was a raving nutball libertarian conservative or similar variety scum (John C. Wright & Peter Hamilton are both excellent examples of this phenomena). One of the useful things about reading almost exclusively SF is that most SF authors wear their ideologies on their sleeve and so reading books by modern or near-modern authors whose politics and

[moominmuppet]

I most often find the art issue a problem in movies and older books. I have a lot of trouble enjoying old movies because I can't stop noticing the gender and race politics to the exclusion of actually just enjoying the plot, for example.

I see a lot of overlap between the lesbian/bi/straight poly worlds, with gay open relationships generally being conceptualized very differently. And I don't think that's just because of my own relationship dynamics (my most long-standing poly relationship being with K and T, who are living within a pretty poly and poly-friendly lesbian subculture). I also see it in who posts to the LJ poly communities. I can recall a lot of posts by poly lesbians, but almost none by poly-identified gay men.

[heron61]

most often find the art issue a problem in movies and older books. I have a lot of trouble enjoying old movies because I can't stop noticing the gender and race politics to the exclusion of actually just enjoying the plot, for example.

I tend to excuse work from the early 1960s and earlier unless it is impressively horrid, because I largely assume that the US and Western Europe were deeply scary and exceptionally bigoted places prior to the social changes of the 1960s.

I see a lot of overlap between the lesbian/bi/straight poly worlds, with gay open relationships generally being conceptualized very differently. And I don't think that's just because of my own relationship dynamics (my most long-standing poly relationship being with K and T, who are living within a pretty poly and poly-friendly lesbian subculture). I also see it in who posts to the LJ poly communities. I can recall a lot of posts by poly lesbians, but almost none by poly-identified gay men.That makes sense to me - at least in the poly communities that I hang out in