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But my current project is abolishing my universities football team:
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supahtonto November 1 2006, 05:47:16 UTC

However, sports teams do bring entertainment. You can't say that no one ever goes to the games... because people do.

With this lack of a sports team, is it possible that some people would choose to not attend the school? I think it could be. It's kind of just... part of college, for some people.

Without research and polls done, I'm not sure you can claim anything for sure.

The idea is promising, but who knows.

And the team just sucks? We're actually in first place in the MAC this year. We're not struggling to stay in the MAC, the MAC is struggling to stay in division 1. I would just say to drop down to division 2... that way less money gets spent, the team plays better out of conference, and a winning school brings more people in. I'm not sure what 21 brings in money, but I know that Grand Valley State's team is pretty good, and I happen to know quite a few people that enjoy watching them even though they never went there AND they're division 2.

So who knows.

wifflebatgaijin November 1 2006, 15:06:44 UTC

Collegiate football programs cost schools money, not make. Only a few schools in the country have profitable football programs; even the ones that are extremely successful and well known.

The people who attend schools for athletics, often times wouldn't make it to college on their own scholastic merits. And they hardly take their requirements seriously, as is proven by the number of highschool and college atheletes who regularly have to miss games because of adacemic ineligability. I just heard recently about a highschool that had to give up 4 basketball games they had won off their schedule because they had a player on the team who wasn't eligable to play. Except that his father was in some kind of position of influence and kept him on the team.

Removing college football would force these kids to go to academic institutions for academic reasons.

supahtonto November 1 2006, 20:07:17 UTC

I didn't say anything about football programs making money. I didn't even argue that part.

And also, I'm not talking about the athletes themselves. I'm not saying that a football or basketball program will be a breaker in the decision whether or not to attend a certain university for everyone, but it would definitely affect the mindset of many.

I'm not really sure how you've "proven" anything to me without me being able to see some of these statistics of the number of athletes who regularly have to miss games. I know that it does happen, but academic probation happens to people that arne't on athletic teams as well, I don't know of the exact numbers, so I won't say that anything has been proven.

wifflebatgaijin November 1 2006, 23:46:36 UTC

You've implied there's something to gain from these programs; if it isn't monetary, then what is it? People enjoying watching the game? Why does a school have to provide that for them? Should schools open up movie theaters on their campus? How about bars and strip clubs?

And also, I'm not talking about the athletes themselves. I'm not saying that a football or basketball program will be a breaker in the decision whether or not to attend a certain university for everyone, but it would definitely affect the mindset of many.

Which is all fine and well, but who cares if it's the breaker if the student isn't going there for school?

I'm not really sure how you've "proven" anything to me without me being able to see some of these statistics of the number of athletes who regularly have to miss games. I know that it does happen, but academic probation happens to people that arne't on athletic teams as well, I don't know of the exact numbers, so I won't say that anything has been proven.Yeah, and those people flunk out of college and ( ... )

supahtonto November 2 2006, 05:57:47 UTC

I'm not sure, I haven't seen the study, but I don't think they've taken into account the people that would not go to that school had there not been an athletic program.

I didn't say the people weren't going there FOR school, that implies that they're going there FOR athletics. I said that it would simply be in the mindset, it might be a factor. I don't care about my football program, but if a school didn't have an athletic program at all? I might change a decision.

wifflebatgaijin November 2 2006, 13:16:37 UTC

What does it matter if your school has an athletic program or not? You're not there for athletics. You're not there for entertainment. You're there for an education.

supahtonto November 2 2006, 17:32:34 UTC

It's hard to explain, but it's just sort of a part of the college experience for many people.

wifflebatgaijin November 2 2006, 19:14:10 UTC

Why does it have to be? Why does an academic institution have to provide non-academic, entertainment content at extreme cost? Couldn't these people get the experience of watching sporting events without the sacrifice of academic programs and quality?

supahtonto November 3 2006, 01:12:49 UTC

It doesn't HAVE to be. It just is. I never said anything about extreme cost. If you're going to be assuming things without me saying them then I don't even have a reason to keep going with this.

wifflebatgaijin November 3 2006, 13:27:57 UTC

You've pointed out it just is, and I'm asking why it has to be. How is this hard to understand?

supahtonto November 3 2006, 18:47:47 UTC

Listen, it doesn't have to be part of the college experience for many people. It's not a necessity. The thing is though, it IS part of the college experience, many people would not choose to attend a college with no athletic program. But until you can change the minds of all these people, then there would be a lot of people not attending such a college.

wifflebatgaijin November 3 2006, 19:49:03 UTC

But why do we want these people attending colleges? If they're making their decisions based on football programs, and not the academic merits of the school, who the hell cares?

They're making poor decisions based on irrelevant criteria to their education. Do we want these people coming to the universities, dragging down the average GPA and draining resources?

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wifflebatgaijin November 3 2006, 22:03:36 UTC

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supahtonto November 4 2006, 06:16:10 UTC

Am I dragging down the average GPA and draining resources? When given the choice, people will choose what they like. If you wanted a school that was entirely focused on academics you should've worked harder in high school and gone to an ivy league... this is Central Michigan, the average gpa is what.. 2.0 anyway? at this point, it doesn't matter that much.

wifflebatgaijin November 6 2006, 20:06:17 UTC

And do you deny that the average GPA here couldn't be improved if adaquete funding for all the academic departments and those students who focus more on sports than school weren't here?

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