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It's a sad day for Jewish potheads. (Source)

But my current project is abolishing my universities football team:

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[wifflebatgaijin]

You've implied there's something to gain from these programs; if it isn't monetary, then what is it? People enjoying watching the game? Why does a school have to provide that for them? Should schools open up movie theaters on their campus? How about bars and strip clubs?

And also, I'm not talking about the athletes themselves. I'm not saying that a football or basketball program will be a breaker in the decision whether or not to attend a certain university for everyone, but it would definitely affect the mindset of many.

Which is all fine and well, but who cares if it's the breaker if the student isn't going there for school?

I'm not really sure how you've "proven" anything to me without me being able to see some of these statistics of the number of athletes who regularly have to miss games. I know that it does happen, but academic probation happens to people that arne't on athletic teams as well, I don't know of the exact numbers, so I won't say that anything has been proven.

Yeah, and those people flunk out of college and become a statistic. An athelete becomes academically ineligable and suddenly everyone gives a shit? That's a serious misallocation of resources and attention if I've ever seen one.
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For some reason people assume that colleges need to be in the business of wasting money on atheletes because people like sports. Where are all those people who think government is evil and ineffecient? Why don't we alleiviate schools of this non-academic burden and allow private enterprise to train atheletes?

[supahtonto]

I'm not sure, I haven't seen the study, but I don't think they've taken into account the people that would not go to that school had there not been an athletic program.

I didn't say the people weren't going there FOR school, that implies that they're going there FOR athletics. I said that it would simply be in the mindset, it might be a factor. I don't care about my football program, but if a school didn't have an athletic program at all? I might change a decision.

[wifflebatgaijin]

What does it matter if your school has an athletic program or not? You're not there for athletics. You're not there for entertainment. You're there for an education.

[supahtonto]

It's hard to explain, but it's just sort of a part of the college experience for many people.

[wifflebatgaijin]

Why does it have to be? Why does an academic institution have to provide non-academic, entertainment content at extreme cost? Couldn't these people get the experience of watching sporting events without the sacrifice of academic programs and quality?

[supahtonto]

It doesn't HAVE to be. It just is. I never said anything about extreme cost. If you're going to be assuming things without me saying them then I don't even have a reason to keep going with this.

[wifflebatgaijin]

You've pointed out it just is, and I'm asking why it has to be. How is this hard to understand?

[supahtonto]

Listen, it doesn't have to be part of the college experience for many people. It's not a necessity. The thing is though, it IS part of the college experience, many people would not choose to attend a college with no athletic program. But until you can change the minds of all these people, then there would be a lot of people not attending such a college.

[wifflebatgaijin]

But why do we want these people attending colleges? If they're making their decisions based on football programs, and not the academic merits of the school, who the hell cares?

They're making poor decisions based on irrelevant criteria to their education. Do we want these people coming to the universities, dragging down the average GPA and draining resources?

[wifflebatgaijin]

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[supahtonto]

Am I dragging down the average GPA and draining resources? When given the choice, people will choose what they like. If you wanted a school that was entirely focused on academics you should've worked harder in high school and gone to an ivy league... this is Central Michigan, the average gpa is what.. 2.0 anyway? at this point, it doesn't matter that much.

[wifflebatgaijin]

And do you deny that the average GPA here couldn't be improved if adaquete funding for all the academic departments and those students who focus more on sports than school weren't here?

[supahtonto]

I think that if more funding was given to academic departments, average GPA could rise. I think that if the students that focus more on sports than on school weren't here, the average GPA could rise. I'm not completely sure that the average GPA for student athletes as a whole is lower than other students, I think that could actually be worth looking into.

[wifflebatgaijin]

Are we going to include student atheletes who go to prison for beating some guy to death?

[agentsnoop]

Are we going to include any student that goes to prison?

This is hardly a valid argument for anything.. You should probably reconsidered your academic career.