I have thoughts. Yes, Spike tends toward extreme romantic obsession. However, he also tends to be antagonistic and dismissive toward nearly every man he runs across. I don't think most people have quite the gender divide that Spike seems to. I can buy him as bisexual, but bi-romantic is a harder sell for me, if that makes any sense.
I've read some great meta exploring what may have happened with William's father, making a case for him abandoning his family, rather than just dying, which is what I always assumed. That interpretation would explain a lot about Spike's basic psychology. He's got a lot of mommy/daddy issues, and it would take an awful lot for him to put his romantic hopes into another man. I also imagine he would assume that another guy would end up acting like, well, a guy - not committed, likely to leave, emotionally withholding.
Not to say that it's impossible for this to happen, or that I don't enjoy reading slash fic, but I just don't see Spike as expecting to get the kind of emotional closeness and comfort from a
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"...acting like, well, a guy - not committed, likely to leave, emotionally withholding." Such streotyping! *gasp*
Heh. It's a very stereotypical view, one that Spike disproves at every turn, but one I suspect he buys into...for other men. Silly vampire.
I wouldn't hold my breath looking for the writer(s) to expand on the Spangel, except in a very nudge, nudge way. And, of course, my opinion is that Angel doesn't deserve to have Spike, and it wouldn't be an interesting story to have Spike, once again, pining after someone who can never give him the love he craves. That story has been told.
I think I spent a long time confused as to why Spangel was treated only as something funny, and I'm now finally figuring out that it's being treated that way because that really, truly is all that it is.
I would agree that Angel hasn't earned affection from Spike, but I'm not really sure anyone else ever actually has either. Cecilfrek couldn't care less him, Drusilla seems to border on serial cheater, and Buffy was physically, verbally, emotionally, and sexually abusive.
Angel being a dick isn't quite enough for me to think Spike wouldn't direct some pining his way, but I really do like what you said about his general inability to connect or even communicate with men. I think that's the connection I've been missing.
I always think that it was more than sex - but that the relationship happened before Angelus got cursed. TGIQ shows an Angelus and WtB who are unquestionably close - and since they are vampires, I can't see that they would have any problems enjoying themselves in all sorts of ways
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Which is pretty much what I guess I needed to see to figure out what was going on.
I don't know that "more than sex" is completely correct, at least from my view. I'm starting to think that it's more of an "other than sex" situation. In that the sex is totally seperate from their relationship, whatever it is.
Completely regardless of how the intimacy comment is interpreted, they have had sex at least once. I think I always kept waiting for that to be really important, or just to impact their relationship in some way, but I'm finally getting that it really just doesn't.
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I've read some great meta exploring what may have happened with William's father, making a case for him abandoning his family, rather than just dying, which is what I always assumed. That interpretation would explain a lot about Spike's basic psychology. He's got a lot of mommy/daddy issues, and it would take an awful lot for him to put his romantic hopes into another man. I also imagine he would assume that another guy would end up acting like, well, a guy - not committed, likely to leave, emotionally withholding.
Not to say that it's impossible for this to happen, or that I don't enjoy reading slash fic, but I just don't see Spike as expecting to get the kind of emotional closeness and comfort from a ( ... )
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Heh. It's a very stereotypical view, one that Spike disproves at every turn, but one I suspect he buys into...for other men. Silly vampire.
I wouldn't hold my breath looking for the writer(s) to expand on the Spangel, except in a very nudge, nudge way. And, of course, my opinion is that Angel doesn't deserve to have Spike, and it wouldn't be an interesting story to have Spike, once again, pining after someone who can never give him the love he craves. That story has been told.
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Poor Spike.
I think I spent a long time confused as to why Spangel was treated only as something funny, and I'm now finally figuring out that it's being treated that way because that really, truly is all that it is.
I would agree that Angel hasn't earned affection from Spike, but I'm not really sure anyone else ever actually has either. Cecilfrek couldn't care less him, Drusilla seems to border on serial cheater, and Buffy was physically, verbally, emotionally, and sexually abusive.
Angel being a dick isn't quite enough for me to think Spike wouldn't direct some pining his way, but I really do like what you said about his general inability to connect or even communicate with men. I think that's the connection I've been missing.
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Which is pretty much what I guess I needed to see to figure out what was going on.
I don't know that "more than sex" is completely correct, at least from my view. I'm starting to think that it's more of an "other than sex" situation. In that the sex is totally seperate from their relationship, whatever it is.
Completely regardless of how the intimacy comment is interpreted, they have had sex at least once. I think I always kept waiting for that to be really important, or just to impact their relationship in some way, but I'm finally getting that it really just doesn't.
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