Dumbledore and the Spy in the Order

Jun 24, 2014 19:17

An idea sparked by Oryx's "Appendix B" post on the Order of the Phoenix during VoldWar I ( Read more... )

spies, voldwar i, remus lupin, order of the phoenix, author: sunnyskywalker

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hwyla June 25 2014, 03:34:50 UTC
I REALLY wish I could buy this. It makes the suspicion of Remus much more sensible ( ... )

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oryx_leucoryx June 25 2014, 15:40:25 UTC
Actually we do see Albus performing Legilimency on Harry twice (at least). In COS ch12, when he asks Harry if he had anything to say - I'm pretty sure he intended to elicit Harry's stream-of-consciousness thoughts, and he did glimpse them. (The goal was to know whether Harry's recently revealed ability as Parselmouth had anything to do with releasing the basilisk.) The second time was in GOF ch17, when he questions Harry about putting his name in the goblet of fire. (As for Order members - how many interactions do we see between Albus and Order members other than Severus ( ... )

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hwyla June 25 2014, 16:49:59 UTC
Re: Legilmenzing Harry - I didn't count him because he wasn't an actual Order member, not to mention that the Order wasn't even around in bk2 or bk4 ( ... )

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Using Legilimency terri_testing June 25 2014, 23:01:27 UTC
You're all overlooking something. It's not the case that Dumble's only choices were to use Legilimency surreptitiously and hope it wasn't noticed, or not use it at all ( ... )

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oryx_leucoryx June 26 2014, 16:01:08 UTC
The difference in Remus' attitude to Severus' brewing of Wolfsbane between POA and HBP suggests to me that something very dramatic happened in Remus' experience of being a werewolf. Based on this, I don't think he had much contact with feral werewolves prior to POA. Definitely not on or around the full moon.

Do we have any evidence that werewolves other than Fenrir were involved with Voldemort in the first war? or the second?

Another, somewhat related question: How many Order members knew Remus was a werewolf during the first war? By the second his status was widely known, or course. In POA Remus said 'most' of the teachers knew, not all. Does Hagrid's response to Remus' outing sound like he had been in on the secret earlier?

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hwyla June 27 2014, 01:28:23 UTC
I would say that Hagrid knew at least before the actual 'outing', whether or not he knew before the night before isn't known. However, Hagrid asked Remus whether or not he might have eaten Buckbeak ( ... )

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sunnyskywalker July 2 2014, 02:02:24 UTC
I got the impression that Fenrir always had at least a few hangers-on in his camp, who might not have been on call as active agents for Voldemort but who would have pitched in now and then for the cause and to help a friend. Now I'll have to re-read and see what I was basing that on, or if I was mixing up the books with Harry Potter Wiki stuff that wasn't actually confirmed ( ... )

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hwyla July 2 2014, 04:35:04 UTC
I think the main reason I have trouble with the idea that Remus was asked to make contacts with other werewolves in VW1 is that unlike Snape and the DEs, the werewolves do not go back to 'normal' life when Voldy fell. To me, that means that it would be very suspicious for Remus to drop contact and then pick it back up later.

It isn't as if Snape ever 'drops' his cover in the intervening years either. But I think that Remus either needed to have been in contact all through the years or he needed a really good excuse for why he dropped them and now wants to return.

Of course, I think Remus DOES have a good reason to give them for joining up in bk5/6 - his loss of a job and the complaint that Albus has dropped him like a hot potato. I'm just not sure it would be enough to explain away his period of being away for so long. It might work however if he really was still in contact over all those years and was only away from them during bk3 when he had a chance at a job?

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