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Apr 04, 2006 10:56

w00t i am l33t or however u write it..... i asked this question in class and everyone (class of 450-500) was silent, and then 6 people asked the teacher questions about it after class...... made me feel that my question was important....... u know what the proff did when i asked it.... he toppled over (bent down) and laughed.... lol funny action ( Read more... )

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utopian_faults April 4 2006, 18:03:18 UTC

yes we do. he created us to live certain lives...

it's like dropping a football. You know when you let go of it, it will fall. Gravity will pull it down til it strikes a surface and rolls away. but the way in which the football will fall....in other words, the way it will go about doing it...the direction it will roll...that is different every time you drop it.

God has a plan, and we are apart of that plan in our OWN way

besides. not everyone does God's will.

zeeblue April 4 2006, 19:31:39 UTC

Yay for chirs to have the curage to answer ^_^ <3<3<3

-well if God knows the ball is going to drop, is there anyhitng the ball can do about it to stop itself from falling????
-god knows our every move before we do it (according to christianity right)
-so if he knows what we are going to do.... then it is predetermined that what he saw is going to happen..... (if this is not true then u are saying God is not omnicient)
-there is no way around what god saw for us in the future (he even knows what bad people are going to do)
-if there is no way around the path god has been chosen for us, then we cannot change our path, we cannot change our actions, we have no choice in chosing which we do and dont do, and without choice there is no free will

thanks...... and we talked about this more on AIM so..... yeah..... more comments please

tsukinoyagami April 4 2006, 21:56:42 UTC

I have free will but I say this cause someone told me to..

zeeblue April 4 2006, 23:12:42 UTC

YAY

lol

utopian_faults April 4 2006, 21:57:52 UTC

-its as if the ball has no choice BUT to make a choice in that respect sure....free will is contradicted by its own existence.
-ish yes
-as I said, this is somewhat contradictory...some people do things that are not god's will
-Perhaps God WANTS us to follow certain paths...again, if he gave us free will, there would have to be times when he says "i wish he wouldnt do that..."
-He knows what he wants us to do, and he knows what we WILL do...perhaps thats why there is no need for him to be showing his face every three seconds.
as far as the biblical/historical definition of free will, the alternative was having us do nothing but worship him every moment of every passing day...all of one like mind, or perhaps no mind at all...just a band of creatures praising our creator. What we have is certainly free will if you compare it to that...

Again, i have my own opinions, but as to particulars of this belief system, read the bible....particularly genesis. I think perhaps that will clear some stuff up.

sushikat April 5 2006, 05:16:07 UTC

The question of free will is such a hard subject to wrap my head around...but I say, in respect to the beliefs of Christianity, yes, we do. We have the freedom to make our own choices, even if God knows what's going to happen. It's one of those things you're not supposed to understand and accept that He's all-knowing, hee. Kind of like the question, if God created everything, who created God? No one did. It's just that mind-boggling. >.o;

But yeah, what Chris said basically sums up everything I wanted to say. >.>

Good question, Sara~! <3

zeeblue April 5 2006, 07:03:13 UTC

well so your saying christianity has contradictions.... correct.... i mean it does... so the contradiction is god is all-knowing, yet we have free will.

contradictions mean that one of them has to be wrong....
u could say 'yes god is all-knowing, and we have free will' 'but this requires that u have faith in god, which is impossible to comprehend' (u could say somehting like that right?)

now why would anyone have faith in something with contradictions.... faith.... is that the definition of faith?
that kind of faith is beyond me.......

sorry katie....gotta use you for a sec... utopian_faults April 5 2006, 16:05:42 UTC

would katie ever stab you in the back ( ... )

Re: sorry katie....gotta use you for a sec... zeeblue April 5 2006, 21:26:42 UTC

somehow, my faith in katie is dfferent.... i can deny katie.... i can see her flaws.... Katie is not suppose to be perfect, i can know all about katie, yet u cant know all about god... i know that katie has X personality trate, so her reason for the specific actions will be some how she related to her X personality trate...... u cant do that for god, which is probably why i dont/will never have faith in him ( ... )

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