Evidence Post for 2016

Sep 09, 2016 09:35

Nominations are now closed, so please do not add evidence for fandoms that have not already been mentioned here.

Please use this post (or its Dreamwidth equivalent) to submit evidence to help us consider fandoms’ eligibility for Yuletide 2016.

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apgeeksout September 8 2016, 23:27:19 UTC
Fandom: NXT
Possible issue with the fandom/characters: Closely-related to World Wrestling Entertainment/WWE
Evidence for why this fandom/characters should be considered eligible:

Is it published in a different medium?

Yes. NXT is a weekly program that streams online on the WWE Network (a paid subscription service) and on a slight delay on Hulu; other WWE programming airs on basic cable and pay-per-view.

Is it marketed as a separate series or distinct sub-series?

Yes. NXT is the "developmental territory" for the main WWE roster, analogous to the minor league affiliates of an MLB team. Performers/characters are in training for and may eventually graduate to the main roster, but are in the meantime having matches the results of which don't impact the other levels of the company. In addition to the weekly episode, the promotion runs its own schedule of house show live performances separate from the main WWE roster, and t-shirts and other merchandise for NXT characters are sold in a separate NXT category in the official webstore.
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apgeeksout September 8 2016, 23:34:54 UTC
Fandom: WWE Immortals (video game)
Possible issue with the fandom/characters: Closely related to World Wrestling Entertainment/WWE
Evidence for why this fandom/characters should be considered eligible:

Is it published in a different medium?

Yes. Immortals is a tablet/smartphone fighting game; other WWE programming takes place in basic cable and pay-per-view broadcasts.

Does it feature an alternate universe to the other canons, or significantly divergent events?

Yes. This ~1-minute opening credit sequence sets up the game's premise, which is that magical/supernatural shenanigans opened "doorways to infinite other worlds" and dragged together alternate-universe versions of the characters from a variety of fantasy/sci-fi flavored parallel dimensions. The nominated characters are distinct from their WWE counterparts, who are not pirates, Roman soldiers, barbarian queens, or cyborgs in their existence in the WWE kayfabe universe.

Does it make sense even if you don't know much about the other canons?Yes. Gameplay is not altered ( ... )

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apgeeksout September 8 2016, 23:42:09 UTC
Fandom: Evening Primrose (radio drama)
Possible issue with the fandom: No existing canonical & might be confusing to google

Possibly confusing because the basic story exists with the same title in several other media (specifically a John Collier short story, an audio recording by Vincent Price, and a made-for-tv movie musical by Stephen Sondheim) which might come up earlier in google results.

I'm specifically nominating the radio play because that adaptation includes some specific details and characterization not present in the other versions that I'd like to incorporate in my requests/prompts. As far as I can tell, there's no existing tag for either the radio play or any other medium on AO3.

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Marv Wolfman's Teen Titans whimsicalnixie September 9 2016, 00:48:59 UTC
Fandom: Marv Wolfman run of Teen Titans comic

Reason to be included separately: Unique characterization, use of characters, and application of themes

Distinction:The original run of Teen Titans ended in 1973, with a brief revival from 1976-1978. Then, in the 80's a new series began, penned By Marv Wolfman and George Perez, introducing all-new characters to be permanent team members. Wolfman's time as head writer of Teen Titans put a new twist on an old idea. Whereas the members of the previous Titans teams where mostly the teen sidekicks of famous superheroes, these new members were characters that stood on their own. Cyborg, Raven, and Starfire were Wolfman-Perez original characters, with no history of superheroics at the time they joined the team. Robin, Kid Flash, and Wonder Girl, were, of course, sidekicks of various members of the Justice League. Changeling was an oddity (and would continue to be) as he was the lone survivor of a superhero team that sacrificed their lives to terrorists to protect a small village ( ... )

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Teen Titans CONT. whimsicalnixie September 9 2016, 00:49:53 UTC
Disappointingly, while other writers did use Wolfman and Perez's ideas and characters, the results were painfully shallow. The characterizations were fresh and unique when Wolfman and Perez wrote them, which each character moving forward with their lives, learning to fight to better circumstances for themselves and others, but also realizing that sometimes, they were futile to usher in change. Though Kid Flash, Robin, and Wonder Girl would be allowed to move on, no doubt awarded more respect by the writers for having distinct ties to heroes in the Justice League, the remaining four would undergo little to no development for nearly the next two decades. They were reduced to gross caricatures of themselves who were allowed no deeper personalities.

Starfire was either a generic sexy warrior with the emphasis on sex, or, much more frustratingly, sneeringly depicted as a deluded loser who'd never truly had the chance with Nightwing she thought she (despite dating him for close to a decade in RL). Cyborg, much like Marvel's Thing, would ( ... )

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Re: Teen Titans CONT. kajivar September 9 2016, 13:59:08 UTC
OMG I love you for this. Wolfman-Perez Titans was amazing and a completely different animal than what came after, especially the animated incarnations and (*shudder*) DC52.

Thanks for doing all the work!

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Re: Teen Titans CONT. whimsicalnixie September 9 2016, 17:57:16 UTC
No problem! I love Wolfman and Perez's Titans and would fight to the ends of the earth to have them included in Yuletide. Feel free to talk to me about them any time you like.

Agreed that later installments did the Titans a disservice. While I admit that the first animated cartoon series was what brought me into the Titans comics and then the overall DCU, it certainly was no Justice League Unlimited. I think a lot of people give undue credence to the show out of childhood nostalgia.

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Re: Teen Titans CONT. kerithwyn September 15 2016, 12:28:39 UTC
Oh, wow, this is making me nostalgic all over again. Comics fandom of my heart. :)

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