I don't even know anymore /headdesk

[youcallitwinter]

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[pocochina]

♥CAROLINE♥ She and Stefan are not so much The Sex to me but I love watching them together. Stefan just lights up around her in this way he almost never does, and she sees that and it's this whole ball of happiness. And I love when Caroline gets to be happy!

Caroline says something about how she doesn't like sports cars because they're "too hard to make out in", which just makes you cringe for her because she's so obviously trying too hard.

Caroline's sex-positivity is really interesting to me. As much as she's so adorably proud of herself for being all worldly and saying the dirty words and PEOPLE HAVE SEX DEAL WITH IT WOOO SHE SAID IT, it's also in part that her worries are really not moralized at all and it's so great to see a realistic girl that age without that particular baggage.

Caroline is annoying, she actually says the wrong things, she's much too bitchy, much too insensitive, much too into boys and much too insecure. Of course, these are the exact things that make her my favorite character, because she's just so

[youcallitwinter]

Stefan just lights up around her in this way he almost never does, and she sees that and it's this whole ball of happiness. And I love when Caroline gets to be happy!

THIS EXACTLY. It's not that I want them to go at it (which also I wouldn't mind, to be very honest), I just want them to be in the SAME FREAKING FRAME. Like, I'm pretty sure Paul and Candice could carry it on from there. There's some really good chemistry there, and I just want them to see the show realizing it and making them the best bffs forever and ever.

As much as she's so adorably proud of herself for being all worldly and saying the dirty words and PEOPLE HAVE SEX DEAL WITH IT WOOO SHE SAID IT, it's also in part that her worries are really not moralized at all and it's so great to see a realistic girl that age without that particular baggage.Which is FANTASTIC, as I think. When she first appeared on screen, as this girl who was kind of bitchy to the lead, was thought sort of useless by pretty much everyone, tried to hit on the male lead and openly advocated sex

[pocochina]

she always seems to get into the worst situations in the post-coital period; Damon, Matt, Tyler

Ooooh, ouch, that's really true. Though now that I'm thinking about it, I can't remember her ever blaming whatever shitty situation it was on having had sex? She's hard on herself by exaggerating a lot of her - I don't even want to say flaws, but, certainly difficulties - but she seems really not to have internalized those sex-shaming narratives. Which makes her even more awesome.

"Boy likes girl. Girl likes boy. Sex." will forever be the most adorable thing ever

OMG SO CUTE.

It's like they're all just tolerating her? Which, what? HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT CAROLINE FORBES IS THE BEST FRIEND EVER?

Yes! It didn't bother me so much in the first few episodes, because she hadn't gotten to flex any of those muscles besides jockeying to be the queen bee, but yeah, once everything went to hell and she was still so amazing for them even though they were shutting her out, there was no excuse for marginalizing her like that.

[youcallitwinter]

I can't remember her ever blaming whatever shitty situation it was on having had sex?

Oh my god, I would've possibly stopped watching the show, negl. I love how TVD treats sex so casually-- it's not constructed as an absolute, only for love or whatever. Caroline sleeps with Damon because she doesn't feel pretty enough that day, Stefan and Elena sleeping together is big for them but not momentous on its own because Elena's not a virgin (I think Caroline mentioned that Matt and she were each others' firsts).

She's hard on herself by exaggerating a lot of her - I don't even want to say flaws, but, certainly difficulties - but she seems really not to have internalized those sex-shaming narratives. Which makes her even more awesome.

TRUFAX. I love how all her problems are so very, very teenage, even in midst of all the supernatural stuff; the clothes, the bonfires, the school festivals, parties, boys. It's just, CAROLINE, MY LOVE. And there's rarely been any slut-shaming in the show (apart from Damon and Katherine, because he tends to

[youcallitwinter]

I WOKE UP AND THEN GOT HIT BY AN INSANE OBSESSIVE LOVE. How does that even happen? D: They have amazing chemistry, and the most fantastic thing is, how it's completely not sexual. They could be best friends forever and my life wish will still be fulfilled.

THAT VIDEO, I CANNOT EVEN DEAL WITH IT. D:

[youcallitwinter]

Oh god, WORD on Candice; she just...lights up the screen and she has one of the most beautiful smiles ever (I still loved that scene in the last episode where we have a shot of Caroline when Klaus is telling Tyler about his "pretty little girlfriend"). YEAH, it's not even just shipping S/C for me (WHICH ALSO I DO :S), I just basically want them in the same frame plz.

NEGL, I TOTALLY CRIED AS WELL. It was so utterly fantastic. And seriously, my obsession with fictional stuff makes me reevaluate my life at regular periods, but the writers/actors should be proud of themselves :D

[goldy_dollar]

HEY REMEMBER THIS SCENE AKA GREATEST SCENE OF ALL TIME I KNOW THAT YOU DO.

For some reason I just can't ship Stefan/Caroline in a sexual way, but I want them to be besties for forever and all time. I miss their cute little faces around each other. NOBODY MAKES STEFAN LAUGH LIKE CAROLINE DOES. D:

She so happy with Stefan for "always looking out for me" (which, oh Caroline /pets) and that's all she really needs. Somebody to listen and not constantly be told that there are more important things.

YESSSSS. THIS IS WHAT I LOVE ABOUT THEM TOO. Stefan doesn't make demands or expectations on Caroline like both Matt and Tyler do. It's so great for Caroline that she can be such close friends with a guy who isn't secretly vying to get into her pants or trying to score brownie points with Elena. He just cares because he cares, that's it, there's no agenda. And in return, she makes him laugh. <3333

[youcallitwinter]

THE BEST SCENE IN THE HISTORY OF BEST SCENES.

You know, that was seriously the moment I fell in love with Stefan. I'd seen episodes till 2x11 in a week, and I was firmly a Damon girl. AND THEN THIS SCENE COMES ALONG AND I DON'T EVEN. Initially I was actually mad that they added in the Stefan/Elena 'love you' (also, because I wasn't an S/E fan then. I JUST SAW ALL THE EPISODES IN A WEEK, SO I KEPT MY OPINIONS STATIC FROM THE FIRST EPISODE ONWARDS, FORGIVE ME) because I felt the entire scene should've been about Caroline. But then every time I see it again, I realize, how could Elena not have said it at that moment? As in, who could possibly not be in love with this flawless human being? Elena needed to say it at that moment.

It's so great for Caroline that she can be such close friends with a guy who isn't secretly vying to get into her pants or trying to score brownie points with Elena. He just cares because he cares, that's it, there's no agenda. And in return, she makes him laugh. <3333

[goldy_dollar]

Aw *PETS EARLY YOU*

I watched all of TVD in about a week up until 2x09! I was only just right ahead of you! (And tbh sometimes I don't even know how I came out of it shipping S/E so hard because when I first started watching, I was so unimpressed with them. Oh show.)

because I felt the entire scene should've been about Caroline. But then every time I see it again, I realize, how could Elena not have said it at that moment? As in, who could possibly not be in love with this flawless human being? Elena needed to say it at that moment.

HAHAHA I REMEMBER READING THAT COMPLAINT AT THE TIME. But yes obviously I agree. It's such a small scene but answers the question of why Elena loves Stefan, why she wanted to be with him over Damon. (Annnnnnd now the version of himself Stefan destroyed to save Damon's life? MY HEART D: S3 IS MESSING WITH IT SO MUCH.)

Season 2 canon that features Stefan/Caroline is NEVER weird. (Considering we have no S3 canon for them as it is :s) ALL THE LINKS. I WANT ALL THE LINKS.THEY NEED TO HAVE SOME SCENES

[youcallitwinter]

Haha, I still ship D/E so hard, but I think it's tempered by a lot more things (like, THE SHOW for example), because earlier I watched for them but now the show >>>>> everything else. I don't care about which ship is endgame as long as everyone's happy (that's how ridiculously invested I am in the life of these fictional bastards D:)

Annnnnnd now the version of himself Stefan destroyed to save Damon's life? MY HEART D: S3 IS MESSING WITH IT SO MUCH.

I CANNOT EVEN IMAGINE WHAT STEFAN WILL BE LIKE NOW. With his 'humanity' back on and all (whatever that means). He will never think himself worthy of anyone ever again. D:

Also my secret wish for S3 was to have Caroline on Team Stefan and making excuses for him because STEFAN IS HER YODA/MENTOR but she has barely mentioned him at all. SIGH.OH MAN. The only S/C thing we got was Tyler saying something about how Caroline keeps nagging him about how it's his fault that Stefan is in that situation, and a glance (which made me *fangirl squee* negl) when he came back to school. THAT IS NOT

[onetruefriend]

I just like S/C as friends b/c Caroline reminds Stefan of Lexi. I think in helping Caroline it made Stefan feel like he was paying it forward from what Lexi tought him. I'd love to see them still be friends when his whole ripper thing is over, but that's it. I'm strictly a Stelena girl, lol.

[youcallitwinter]

Haha, that is probably true, although I like to think that Stefan did it without any sense of obligation and only for Caroline, mostly because she deserves to have someone for whom she's not substituting someone. I don't mind S/C in any form; like if they just remained friends, I would still be ecstatic, I just want them in the same fame basically, lol

[onetruefriend]

I didn't mean that he did it b/c he wanted to have like a charity project, lol. I think he just felt she reminded him of Lexi afterwards, as he stated. And it did in fact, help him pay it forward, weather he intended to or not.

[youcallitwinter]

Haha, no, I got that ;) And I always loved him and Lexi so much (I WANT TO SEE THAT BON JOVI CONCERT THAT THEY CRASHED) but I think her return was rather extraordinary, like, I had no idea that she tortured the humanity back into him! But I completely agree that Stefan is carrying that forward (w/o the torture part of it, thankfully!)

Pt. 1

[youcallitwinter]

They have a great chemistry together, and everyone has chemistry with everyone else in this cast.

IS THIS TRUE OR WHAT. How does this cast even exist? It’s like they put Bonnie and Alaric into one scene together and WHAM- chemistry.

Except for poor Matt where chemistry goes to die.

Hee, I concur, yes.

For me there is no one single reason that motivates his desire to help Caroline.

Exactly, for me it stems from who Stefan is as a person. He genuinely cares that much and he would do it for a whole host of reasons. He tried to calm Vicki down as well, to help her, which is fantastic and then he had to stake her himself. And I imagine he wouldn’t want that to happen to Caroline, even if only because she’s Elena’s friends. I love that their friendship grew, it didn’t always exist.

I also think the audience is predisposed to sympathize with Caroline over Elena.

In my opinion, this is true now. Now there’s a general tendency in fandom that everything Caroline does is sunshine and rainbows. There is also this awful, inexplicable

Pt. 2

[youcallitwinter]

It doesn't matter that she feels like she killed her parents, and doesn't even own her own face. It doesn't matter that Elena never seems to take pleasure in Caroline's insecurity or even feed it except for just existing. All some viewers will see is a girl who gets two handsome brothers showing interest in her while Caroline gets to feel second place to Elena in her relationship with Matt.That’s a very good point. And it’s pretty true; it’s ridiculous but a large part of fandom hates on Elena JUST because she has these two beautiful boys in love with her, all just terribly misogynistic. But this also, imo, wasn’t always the case. I think why those things might not matter to most people is that they can’t relate to it on a personal level. Most people don’t feel like they’ve killed their parents, but most people DO feel jealous of that one girl who always seems to get all the boys. But then they’d also hate to be known as that person who’s jealous and insecure, so human!Caroline automatically gets hated on