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Sep 05, 2010 17:04

Lately, I've become curious about what folks think happened between TPM and AotC that makes all that mush on Naboo believable (or not, depending on what camp you're in). The issue of what prior sexual experiences they did or didn't have before each other may not be a defining factor, but it's something I'm hashing out right now in the Life in ( Read more... )

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darth_eldritch September 5 2010, 22:17:24 UTC
In real canon they both are so busy, and isolated, and have very little experience in normal relationships. Not many people their age can relate to them, let alone get close to them.

I know it's kind of a fanfic standard that while the Jedi cannot have attachments or have serious relationship, they can indulge in casual sex or experiment. My headcanon doesn't see this at all. The Jedi are a monastic order and observe the simplified life of monks. Sex is frowned upon as at best a distraction, and a waste of vital energy.

That's not to say that some Jedi will not experiment, but they would get in trouble if discovered. If he had been presented with the oppurtunity, I think Anakin might, or might not, depending on how much he thinks of Padme all the time. I don't think he really gets those oppurtuinties to see.

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wyncatastrophe September 5 2010, 23:11:22 UTC
Hey, thanks for responding!

The whole sex-but-not-attachments thing is laid out with a lot of specificity in Clone Wars: No Prisoners, by Karen Traviss, if you've ever read it. I'm not sure where that stands in relation to the canon now, whether only her Commando and Mandalorian storylines were affected or if the two CW novels she wrote (including the movie novelization) were scratched as far as that goes. I adhere to this in Life in Freefall, because it makes sense based on what I saw in the movies ... it's not celibacy, but detachment, that is the monkish value at work for orthodox Jedi. I do know that a good many ficcers share your views of what constitutes the "monk" aspect of the Jedi Order ( ... )

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darth_eldritch September 5 2010, 23:37:16 UTC
Thanks ( ... )

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wyncatastrophe September 6 2010, 00:14:49 UTC
My folks are Catholic. They converted when I was a teen, so there were lots of RCIA classes and such. I don't think the Jedi remotely resemble Catholic monks on the whole, certainly not in the modern era - to me they have much more in common with eastern mystics. But with that said, the Plotinian Catholics of the 4th and 5th centuries A.D. -- Augustine of Hippo, for instance -- would probably have gotten along well with the Council, so: Point taken. Nice thought about the "May the Lord be with you," although where I go to church it's a greeting (much like "peace be with you") as well as a part of the liturgy. Yes, I have that same response to "May the Force be with you," hehe. But of course, there are religious orders that do not practice celibacy - not so much in the Roman Catholic church, but consider the lay clergy of the Anglican church (not sure if I got all my terms right, there). I had religion classes for several years, plus a couple of Religion and Philosophy courses in college, but I'm no expert! If you're interested ( ... )

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thank you for commenting! nice analysis wyncatastrophe September 5 2010, 23:57:13 UTC
Hehe, you like? I had fun designing it ( ... )

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irnan September 6 2010, 05:42:01 UTC
Oh, one of my favourite things to speculate about ;)

No, really. Possibly I put way too much significance into this line, but remember that part in ROTS when Padmé says that if the Queen finds out about her pregnancy she'll be removed from office? To me, that's always implied that the Naboo are quite... straight-laced... about sexuality and sex and babies out of wedlock.

There's also the fact that Padmé spent her teenage years and her early twenties being a very public figure. I've always thought she'd have to avoid making herself vulnerable to someone by sleeping with them as Queen of Naboo: all that ceremony, the dresses, the heavy make-up, and then run the risk of having all the details of your first time splashed across the gossip rags by an indiscreet lover? I don't think she'd do it. In my headcanon, half the reason she relaxes so much around Anakin is because they knew each other as children; she has a trust in him she wouldn't have in another lover ( ... )

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wyncatastrophe September 6 2010, 12:35:24 UTC
Wow, thanks for responding!

Yeah, there seems to be something superconservative about the Naboo. You can kind of tell that by how sexy Padmé isn't, except when she's in hiding (with Anakin, mmmm...).

It seems to me that maybe Padmé never really learned how to have a personal life. She visits her family in the deleted scenes, but even there she kind of keeps them at arm's length; maybe she just never lets anyone in. Except, sort of, Anakin. There are moments in ROTS when I think she's more trying to be a wife than showing any kind of real intimacy, and maybe that makes sense. They can't have had the chance for much ordinary husband-and-wife time together, not when every meeting they have may be their last and there is so much pressure from the war.

I agree totally with your concept of Anakin as sensual and tactile, and to be honest, I'm not sure which way to jump when it comes to him. I went with the whole experimented-with-a-close-friend thing for Life in Freefall, because it seemed to fit best with the rest of my story ( ... )

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irnan September 7 2010, 09:22:18 UTC
There are moments in ROTS when I think she's more trying to be a wife than showing any kind of real intimacy, and maybe that makes sense.

IAWTC. The poster scene for that, to me, is the one where she says to him "don't shut me out, let me help you", and then, a heartbeat later, literally in the same breath, "just hold me and lets forget about all our problems!"

That scene gets to me every time. *shakes head* She wants and is trying to reach out to him, but at the same time she doesn't seem to quite know how, so it comes back to "let's forget about everything except our love!"

He's awfully warm to be having that kind of cold sex.But it doesn't actually have to be cold sex, does it? I think it's rather harsh to assume that just because you don't know someone, or don't know them very well, you can't have some kind of connection with them/fondness for them/desire to make them feel good, as well as yourself. In the past I've struck up instant friendships with people that have lasted for maybe an evening; you can meet someone, feel it ( ... )

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lazypadawan September 6 2010, 05:56:43 UTC
Ah yes, an interesting question ( ... )

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wyncatastrophe September 6 2010, 13:06:18 UTC
I have read the Jedi Quest books. I don't think that thinking of Padmé would necessarily preclude having sex with another girl if he was close to her emotionally (which might or might not have the chance to happen, depending on how strict you think Master Obi-Wan is).

To be honest, I think the idea that Anakin actually falls in love with Padmé the first time they meet, instead of just admiring and caring for her, is kind of creepy. Falling in love is a term we use for romantic attachment, which in our society is sort of always linked with sexual feelings. He's a kid, for crying out loud. I'm not saying he doesn't develop those feelings later - maybe even before he meets her again - but to say that he falls in love at nine just squicks me a bit.

Yeah, Padmé: all politics, all the time!

Thanks for responding!

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really love your icon wyncatastrophe September 6 2010, 13:43:38 UTC
You offer an interesting perspective here, separating romantic love and sexual attraction in a way we usually don't in contemporary Western culture. Good points about putting Padmé on a pedestal.

My head!canon is trying to sort itself on this. I have one really long fic in which Anakin may at some point have sex with an OC ... certainly he's attracted to her (and, I mean, who wouldn't be into Anakin? come on), but they go back and forth, and that's largely because (in the story) he is convinced he's already given his heart to Padmé and he can't take it back. But it's a lot like the Darra Thel-Tanis thing you mention - because they're close, and good friends, and there's a warmth there that he has to be missing in the rest of his life.

Speaking of which, where are all the Anakin/Darra fics? I never see them, and yet it's so clear in the Jedi Quest series that they are good friends. I love the scene where she asks him to just stay with her "it's lonely here." That's something they could both understand ( ... )

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