Is there such a thing...

Jun 30, 2011 23:11

...as being too lore-strict? Going so far as to insist that certain concepts just absolutely could not exist because there are no PC class/race/whatever supporting for it ( Read more... )

lore: race, rp: general, discussion: rp

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pewter July 1 2011, 11:20:21 UTC
I would use a term other than gypsy, as it's a bit like saying 'half elf half native american' and as such there is no equivelant ethnicity in the warcraft humans, but if the human parent is from nomadic humans who travel around the human dominated and contested lands and 'half elfs' are possible in the WoW Uni, then I don't see a problem with it if the character was raised with the human parent's lifestyle.

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e_mily July 1 2011, 14:43:06 UTC
'half elfs' are possible in the WoW Uni

Ho ho ho ho.

Arator is the only half-elf specifically in-game, but Half elfs definitely do exist in lore.

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vulgar_toshiya July 1 2011, 16:13:25 UTC
You know, I went rounds with myself to find another word to use. But for how he acts, his family structure, and his lack of attachment to any one place or person(his wolf not withstanding), gypsy was the only term I could find that could give the layman(I use that term loosely) a feel of the character upon reading his MRP without getting too wordy.

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riotlounge July 1 2011, 16:40:23 UTC
Wanderer? Nomad? Drifter? Transient? World-traveler?

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halogin July 1 2011, 12:42:22 UTC
Within reason, I'd say. Nomadic humans are certainly possible; the half-elf depends on what kind of elf. Half high elf? Sure, just be careful because it does set of Snowflake Alarms, even in someone reasonable and willing to hear out concepts. Half night elf? No. Not unless your character is still a child ( ... )

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vulgar_toshiya July 1 2011, 16:47:38 UTC
He is half high elf, half human and would have been rolled as a human toon if A-side had tickled me better for long-term RP. That, and at the time humans couldn't be hunters. So in-game he's a blood elf. I accept that he would not be accepted, just barely tolerated. And he certainly doesn't hang around in Silvermoon and advertise that he's a halfbreed.

The use of the term 'gypsy' was simply to evoke that sort of playful mystic(which, he actually has no mystic powers at all), but also his lifestyle. The layman(using the term loosely) would equate gypsy with a sort of...vivacious wanderer rather than the Romani people.

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kadaria July 1 2011, 20:34:21 UTC
This might be where you run into a problem since in the WoW lore, a high-elf human mix would most likely be kill on sight in any Horde city since both of these races are considered Alliance.

"High elves are currently found primarily scattered throughout human societies, thereby being forced to rely on the hospitality of the younger race. This dependency has resulted in some high elves vigorously trying to find a new homeland, with possibly a new source of magic. The status of their blood elven counterpart has resulted in them being shunned by most of the Alliance, particularly the night elves.

Human cities hold the highest population density of high elves"

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e_mily July 1 2011, 14:52:03 UTC
Wow, just because there's no PC combination of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

There are no PCs available of rangers, sentinels, demon hunters, etc, but those exist in the game ( ... )

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vulgar_toshiya July 1 2011, 16:58:29 UTC
He's Horde, but his elf parent dumped him off on the human parent(when they were all still Alliance) after realizing that he wasn't the spawn of her fiance. Ashe had been a happily little accident, as it were.

Until half elves became the next biggest thing in Silvermoon, the PCs would actually harass him ICly. More than once he was given the option of 'leave the city or be arrested'. It was awesome!

I would never in a million years expect people to agree with certain concepts. But to attack one like that rather than simply say "I'm not interested in this character" was...strange. I was floored.

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sophiaserpentia July 1 2011, 15:13:33 UTC
I don't get RP lore strictualism. I understand being annoyed at someone for using an over-done trope or doing something clearly outside the spirit of WoW lore, but what is the point of being rigidly lore-strict when Blizzard themselves aren't? There are myriad contradictions and retcons and inconsistencies.

The whole point of RP is to have fun, isn't it? How fun is being lectured and griped at because you thought of something that Blizzard hasn't already done?

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benttornunbroke July 1 2011, 16:54:16 UTC
Being totally lore-strict is impossible, I think. I mean, you can stick to what Blizzard has said and try not to add to it, but there's places where you have to add in stuff -- like, say, elf aging. I'm of the opinion that night elves take a very long time to age, (for example, 500 years is the equivalent to being 10 for humans) and roleplay accordingly. There's nothing mentioned in lore about night elven aging, or high/blood elven, so one has to make stuff up.

(mostly i just wish that people would stop having night elves that grew up on Teldrassil. I made that mistake when I was still an ickle WoWnoob. no moar!)

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vulgar_toshiya July 1 2011, 17:06:11 UTC
That's the other thing I didn't understand! I get trying to be completely on the level with the world's story, but the things Blizz has explained in lore is just a drop in the bucket for a world that large. It just doesn't work otherwise.

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nagaina_ryuuoh July 1 2011, 17:47:43 UTC
I suspect criticism of a half-elf gypsy type derives from from two sources: the disdain that the WoW RP community generally showers on half-anything character types and the only dubiously sourced in Lore belief that all elves are naturally reclusive and deviations from that type must be justified in some manner.

That being said, 'half-elven wanderer' does not ping me as a questionable concept at all, much less a Lore-breaking one.

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