The State of the Union...

[woodychitwn]

evil_spork came by after work last night and after finishing up dinner, we sat down with mjollnirr and sparkling wine to watch President Obama's State of the Union... Overall, I enjoyed the speach...  I love hearing President Obama talk...  After 8 years of listening to a frat boy rape the American language, it is reinvigorating to hear someone speak with such

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[huscoon]

If gay men and women are already in the military, if they always have been and always will be, then what's the point of repealing Don't Ask Don't Tell?

Obama's speech was a slap in the face to the real issues of inequality that homosexual men and women face, like the current marriage laws.

It would be like telling Rosa Parks, "Fine fine, you can sit in the front of the bus." Then turning a blind eye to the lynchings happening in other parts of the country.

[woodychitwn]

The point, is that gay men and women are still being kicked out of the military on regular basis. They're serving for years, and are being rewarded by having their benefits revoked, their records tarnished. The law still forbids these people from serving.

And while I would like to see gay marriage allowed, a federal law would be stepping on the rights of the states... More importantly, we're in the middle of fighting two wars. Our military need for good men and women, is higher.

[darkphox]

Needs more unfing

[woodychitwn]

YOU need more unfing!!!

[darkphox]

I know ;.;

[woodychitwn]

So when're ya gonna come visit? The mid-west misses you!

[sashowind]

Honestly, to me, as a libertarian who was raised republican and conservative, I don't give two shits what someone does in their private bedroom. I don't believe in the health care thing as it stands right now, and i also don't like obama's politics. And yes, he speaks very well, but just because he speaks well doesn't mean what he says should hold any merit. Thats the problem with people, they look at HOW someone speaks, not what they say.

[graemelion]

No. The problem is that they look at how someone speaks and what they say, and not at what they do.

People even now can't remember the promises Obama made during the election, but they can remember that Bush was reading "My Pet Goat" to a class full of elementary school students when 9/11 started.

What Obama said (And how he said it) last night will be forgotten by March.

[graemelion]

Fair enough.

But I still stand by my premise. It's not what you say. It's never what you say. It might be where you say it, what major event it's connected to, but it's never what you say.

Obama's words last night will be forgotten by March. It'll be out of the news cycles by Wednesday of next week.

Hell, people don't even remember that the Bush Whitehouse gave a gay male prostitute a press pass giving him executive level access. Now I mention that to people and they look at me shocked. They look it up and come back looking even MORE shocked.

It's just how we are. Like I said, I want actions, not words. So, he speaks pretty to the intellectual elite. Bush spoke pretty to the "common man", or whatever that means. Which one got more of what they wanted to do done?

[hunterwolf]

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

Remove religion, remove politics...and you have a very clear picture of how things should be.

[woodychitwn]

Throughout my lifetime, I NEVER recited the post-communist version of the pledge of allegiance. I have ALWAYS recited it as originally intended.

"I pledge allegiance, to the Flag, of the United States of America. And to the Republic, for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

As for the Declaration of Independence... It was accepted at the time of writing that "their Creator" was not the Christian "God". It was specifically worded that way to include all beliefs.

[hunterwolf]

The point...is equality for all...not just some...for all.

Equal rights.

Equal freedoms.

I don't give a damn post-communist or otherwise. I don't give a damn about religious or political bullshit that seeks to hide one very simple thing.

None treated better than others. None treated worse than others. All given the same rights and privileges.

You can tack on bullshit labels as much as you like...you're simply doing the same thing as every other bigoted narrowed minded ass out there...seeking to put others down, using religion and politics as weapons of oppression.

And by "You" I do not refer to you as being Woody, I refer to the word YOU as an objective encompassing anyone who would or could do something. ^.^

[hunterwolf]

...and I refuse to include every amendment or version of something just so that everyone's personal preferences are met.

In the end...it means the same thing.

[shepherdwolf]

ALSO WHILE WE'RE AT IT I WOULD LIKE THE CHANCE TO GIVE BLOOD, SINCE WE DON'T ALL HAVE F*****G AIDS, RED CROSS

that is all.