Oh RTD! *shakes head*

[woman_of_]

Ok, so RTD has pissed off some fans with Season Three CoE on Torchwood. With Season Three Torchwood came of age, but might've left some fans behind from the rather silly programme it was in season One and Two. Ok, not so say there were not plot holes you could hold an M6 traffic jam in, but did have some undercurrents you had to think about, and

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[tx_cronopio]

Well, I read his message, and I supported it 100%. The idea that somehow TV writers are supposed to support fandom? Bah. I especially liked the way he pointed out that drama is for grownups.

[woman_of_]

I agree, I liked CoE, it was for grown ups, who could handle it. Then it was also a swerve from what has gone on before in season one and two, which was pretty much childish, but with adult sexual content, so this one didn't appeal to the fan base he already had.

I don't think they should write for fans either, as that is very limiting, and stiffles creativity, just don't think he should talk about another fandom at all!

[shannon730]

I was, at first, totally willing to give him the chance to prove he could make it work. But every time he opens his mouth he gets more condescending...Starting with "I don't write for the fans" Which I was totally willing to think he just sucks at communication and was attempting Joss's argument of "I have to write the story even if some fans will be upset," but the more he talks the more I think, that no, he is actually arrogant enough to believe he can completely ignore the fans and everyone will continue to watch whatever he does. But seriously, it's TV, he does write for the fans...I'm going to guess the BBC is unlikely to keep paying him if no one will watch...

And oh yeah, the go read poetry, and watch Supernatural...oh and the people concerned about the appearance of eliminating the gay couple and leaving the straight one blissfully happy being told to 'grow up'...really the man is a total ass.

[woman_of_]

Total ass. He ignores his own fans, and talks down to them, especially as Season 1 and 2 where not high drama at all, and only carried on because of the shippiness. He is not clever enough to do this.

[shannon730]

I've seen where he says he's a huge Joss fan...I think he's trying to be like him...problem is he's not that good.

The New York Times review of CoE said he kills main characters because essentially he isn't good enough to get the level of drama he wants any other way. They're right.

And no one watches TW for high drama...overall very few people watch Sci-Fi in general for high drama...

I am seeing though that the 'Save Ianto' campaigns are making the news websites now...BBC Wales (I think it was). As much as he wants to say it's just a few upset people, if the news sites are reporting on it, it's not a few people...and he may end up with less choice than he thinks...he doesn't want to write for the fans...but the BBC may not feel the same since the fans are where the money is.

[woman_of_]

Even Joss, on a few occasions, gave into fan pressure. Ok, when he could make a good story from it, but he was flexible enough to do it. You have to acknowledge the huge sums, and also the introduction to new people, from fans. They are the life-blood of a show, and keep it in the public awareness.

I do think it he has got too big for his boots.

To be honest, I liked CoE, I thought it raised some interesting questions. The death of Ianto was totally unnessacary for any added drama, and a waste.

Really think RTD needs to reconsider the cheap drama of killing someone off.

[ladypeyton]

But then again RTD, having annoyed so many people, even if you get another season, how many are going to stick around to watch it?

To be honest, I will. I thought series 3 was the best of the lot.

(and I'm watching Supernatural right now ;^> S2s Tall Tales)

[woman_of_]

Yeah, I'll probably watch as well. I thought that, mostly, S3 meant that Torchwood grew up. But still think that killing Ianto was a cheap little bit of melodrama.

[lifefailsme]

I must say I did admire what he said. He made some pretty terrific points.

[woman_of_]

I loved CoE, and thought Torchwood had grown up, even if I thought that killing off Ianto was a bit of cheap melodrama. The interview it's self, to me, was a bit inflammatory.

Then maybe he thinks that as long as people are talking, it is good

[wildannuette]

You might want to cut this for spoilers, I haven't seen TW yet but luckily I already know, courtesy of fandom secrets, about Ianto though thankfully not much more.

I thought RTD was moving to the US anyway and not writing for TW anymore? I think, despite fandom, a lot of non-fandom people will still watch. To be honest, a lot of people I know watched COA despite finding the last seasons a bit meh. They aren't involved in fandom but all of them loved COA, they thought it was dark and intense althought the couln't see TW continuing as a series from there.

I must admit I found the last series a bit off and on but I was really looking forward to COA. Killing off the other guys was bad enough but it seems like everyone happy gets biteen, what's next Gwen's baby? From what I've heard only Gwen is left over in TW now and not even Jack might be there so I doubt I'll watch TW season 3. I liked the Jack/Ianto pairing a lot, always thought Ianto would end up hurt by the relationship but i'm gutted he ended up dead.

[woman_of_]

Seems like he thinks that is there is a Season Four, he will still be in charge, and has ideas for it.

To a certain extent, CoE was some of the best TV this year, the real bummer is his attitude. He is a bit high handed. I doubt it would go over well in America, especially with an outsider trying to appeal to an American audience.