If they don't like what I have to say, the solutions are pretty simple.
You know what, I might have to take this advice to heart. Not you, I love your posts (and you're a DCer!) but there's someone on my flist whose every post drives me up a wall. And sometimes I can't refrain from commenting. And I feel crappy about how negative I am. I think the best solution is just the unfriending.
Some guy was talking last night how he wanted to know the end of HP so he could send it around in an email to the work folk the next day, with some kind of misleading headline. Why would you want to do something crappy like that?
Some guy was talking last night how he wanted to know the end of HP so he could send it around in an email to the work folk the next day, with some kind of misleading headline. Why would you want to do something crappy like that?
In the WSJ article last week about the early shipments and the leaked internet version of HP&DH, Melissa Anelli (who runs The Leaky Cauldron) said, "I can't believe the intensity of some people's desire to ruin it for other people." The Washington Post reported:"People have been e-mailing us Xeroxed pages of the book all day," says Emerson Spartz, who founded the popular fan Web site Mugglenet.com. "Whoever happens to be opening the e-mail at that time takes a bullet for the team. We read it to make sure it's real, then pass the pages on to Scholastic so they can sic their [expletive] lawyers onto the offenders." Spartz says that though some forwarded messages have been artfully crafted fakes, the Xeroxed pages "had J.K. all over them." [from here] Sometimes people can really, really suck
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Gah, you read my mind again. I just saw two more negative posts that really offended me because they came from unexpected sources. I can't think of a time in my life where I've complained and said: "I wish so and so wouldn't post so much about x topic". I only complain if they rant all the time or bitch, but if they're posting about things they love, even if it's puppies, piglets, jdramas, numb3rs, bones, cross-dressing otters then I'm happy to read it or skim over it. I am really saddened by the notion that - someone else's glee/happiness/enthusiasm somehow damages my own. That would reflect badly on me as a person I think. I must write more about this topic on my own journal but thank you for saying this, I was feeling kind of alone on the issue
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I was replying to you yesterday when my LJ died. So the fabulous reply I wrote yesterday evaporated and I'm sure this one will be a poor imitation. ;)
For starters, you can always rant in my LJ, and you know that. Really, truly. :)
I am really saddened by the notion that - someone else's glee/happiness/enthusiasm somehow damages my own. That would reflect badly on me as a person I think.
You've said exactly what I believe here, and I thank you for being so succinct. And you're not alone - I've been feeling frustrated about this issue and it all just exploded. Similiarly the snobbishness, condescension and elitism bug me, too. If you enjoy something, why should anyone have to make excuses for it? What's the point in saying that XX isn't great literature or even great children's literature - isn't it enough that it was fun and enjoyable? I'm glad for anything that whisks me away from my every day world and absorbs my attention and makes me feel. Isn't that at least some of what art should do?
Happiness comes in all kinds of forms, and there is enough sorrow and tragedy in the world. Gladness makes my freaking day.
Absolutely, and I'm sorry you had to experience that.
(and now I also got a little paranoid that I had said something to upset you, and if I did that was not the intention. The only thing that has annoyed me lately is all the HP wank and snark, and I may have made a snarky comment or two about that. It's just when people go "OMG! I can write this better than JKR" I get a little peeved. The Hp-joy and enthusiasm on the other hand is just nice. I mean what is better than a happy, enthusiastic f-list?)
and now I also got a little paranoid that I had said something to upset you
No, no, definitely not! :) I'd be most surprised if you ever said or wrote anything that I found offensive because you, like all my favorite people, are very fair-minded and thoughtful.
Actually, I agree with you completely on the wank/snark issue which is present to some degree in every fandom and usually this is something to which I also have an allergic reaction...I'm rather bummed out to hear even tangentially about the HP fan-backlash, partly because I think sometimes that fandom becomes so bloated with its own self-importance that it loses sight of what inspired it which then becomes an object of ridicule and hatred sometimes for the slenderest of reasons. Such a pity.
I mean what is better than a happy, enthusiastic f-list?
I think sometimes that fandom becomes so bloated with its own self-importance that it loses sight of what inspired it which then becomes an object of ridicule and hatred sometimes for the slenderest of reasons.
Oh absolutely. Fandom stops seeing the forest for all the trees sometimes, and that can be very annoying. I also think that with HP there is another factor, and that is HP's status as children's books. So some people think its childish to read them, or like koalathebear said they finish it with a hand wave of "at any rate it's not a good book". Why they do the latter is beyond me. Does it think it makes them appear debonair or more suave? Because it really doesn't.
Granted one can dislike the book, but then I'd like to see the statements and reasons for that opinion. Not just a sentences pasted at the end of the text.
I also think that with HP there is another factor, and that is HP's status as children's books. So some people think its childish to read them, or like koalathebear said they finish it with a hand wave of "at any rate it's not a good book". Why they do the latter is beyond me. Does it think it makes them appear debonair or more suave? Because it really doesn't.
Yes! I don't get the "it's childish to read them" part, nor do I understand how/why people make condescending comments without any supporting argument whatsoever. It's like just because it's popular and it originally began as children's lit, that somehow invites derision.
Is it a rollicking good story? Yes/No. It's that easy. ;)
And thank you so much for the link to those beautiful icons. Lots of pretty! :)
What I don't get about posts ranting about any craze(of this variety) is that if you've been through one, you know it'll die off soon...maybe in a week, maybe in a month. Yeah, this one's a little bigger than most(ok, a lot bigger) but there's already an extreme tapering off of posts from friday and saturday(for that matter, There's fewer on my flist now than there were before the book came out) Just give everyone time to read it and get it out of their system and everyone will move on.
It's not like anyone has to read any posts on their flist they don't want to anyway. Just keep doing your own thing and hope someone can see your posts amid all the others.
It's not like anyone has to read any posts on their flist they don't want to anyway.
Exactly. The second I read unpleasantness that makes me unhappy, I use my filters.
And of course you're very right about understanding the cycles of fandom - these crazes never last, and good gosh, is it that difficult to ignore, skip over and/or filter out the things you don't want to read until the craze calms down? I just don't see any point in spoiling other people's fun. I can't imagine being that petty, and as koalathebear says, the idea that other people's excitement somehow diminishes me would definitely reflect poorly on me as a person.
I think what people don't get is that there's a difference between saying you don't like the subject of the craze and saying there's a problem with the people involved in the craze. Saying you don't like Harry Potter and posting about problems is one thing, and is perfectly acceptable. As is saying you don't understand why it's popular or why people get so worked up. Saying there's a problem with the fans for getting excited about it or liking it is another thing altogether.
If it bothers people that much, they can just stop reading, either by filtering, unfriending, or just utilizing the mouse's scrolling ability. It seems there's ALWAYS something a large chunk of my flist is going on about that makes my eyes glaze over, but it's nothing to complain about...
Thank you for the prettiness! They are such lovely pics and I'm glad you posted them again as I think I may have missed them first time round. I especially like the second one - the light in it is so pretty ^__^
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You know what, I might have to take this advice to heart. Not you, I love your posts (and you're a DCer!) but there's someone on my flist whose every post drives me up a wall. And sometimes I can't refrain from commenting. And I feel crappy about how negative I am. I think the best solution is just the unfriending.
Some guy was talking last night how he wanted to know the end of HP so he could send it around in an email to the work folk the next day, with some kind of misleading headline. Why would you want to do something crappy like that?
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In the WSJ article last week about the early shipments and the leaked internet version of HP&DH, Melissa Anelli (who runs The
Leaky Cauldron) said, "I can't believe the intensity of some people's desire to ruin it for other people." The Washington Post reported:"People have been e-mailing us Xeroxed pages of the book all day," says Emerson Spartz, who founded the popular fan Web site Mugglenet.com. "Whoever happens to be opening the e-mail at that time takes a bullet for the team. We read it to make sure it's real, then pass the pages on to Scholastic so they can sic their [expletive] lawyers onto the offenders." Spartz says that though some forwarded messages have been artfully crafted fakes, the Xeroxed pages "had J.K. all over them." [from here]
Sometimes people can really, really suck ( ... )
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For starters, you can always rant in my LJ, and you know that. Really, truly. :)
I am really saddened by the notion that - someone else's glee/happiness/enthusiasm somehow damages my own. That would reflect badly on me as a person I think.
You've said exactly what I believe here, and I thank you for being so succinct. And you're not alone - I've been feeling frustrated about this issue and it all just exploded. Similiarly the snobbishness, condescension and elitism bug me, too. If you enjoy something, why should anyone have to make excuses for it? What's the point in saying that XX isn't great literature or even great children's literature - isn't it enough that it was fun and enjoyable? I'm glad for anything that whisks me away from my every day world and absorbs my attention and makes me feel. Isn't that at least some of what art should do?
And I do love what you wrote in your ( ... )
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Absolutely, and I'm sorry you had to experience that.
(and now I also got a little paranoid that I had said something to upset you, and if I did that was not the intention. The only thing that has annoyed me lately is all the HP wank and snark, and I may have made a snarky comment or two about that. It's just when people go "OMG! I can write this better than JKR" I get a little peeved. The Hp-joy and enthusiasm on the other hand is just nice. I mean what is better than a happy, enthusiastic f-list?)
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No, no, definitely not! :) I'd be most surprised if you ever said or wrote anything that I found offensive because you, like all my favorite people, are very fair-minded and thoughtful.
Actually, I agree with you completely on the wank/snark issue which is present to some degree in every fandom and usually this is something to which I also have an allergic reaction...I'm rather bummed out to hear even tangentially about the HP fan-backlash, partly because I think sometimes that fandom becomes so bloated with its own self-importance that it loses sight of what inspired it which then becomes an object of ridicule and hatred sometimes for the slenderest of reasons. Such a pity.
I mean what is better than a happy, enthusiastic f-list?
Right-o! :) It certainly makes my day! :)
And I absolutely adore your icon, btw.
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I think sometimes that fandom becomes so bloated with its own self-importance that it loses sight of what inspired it which then becomes an object of ridicule and hatred sometimes for the slenderest of reasons.
Oh absolutely. Fandom stops seeing the forest for all the trees sometimes, and that can be very annoying. I also think that with HP there is another factor, and that is HP's status as children's books. So some people think its childish to read them, or like koalathebear said they finish it with a hand wave of "at any rate it's not a good book". Why they do the latter is beyond me. Does it think it makes them appear debonair or more suave? Because it really doesn't.
Granted one can dislike the book, but then I'd like to see the statements and reasons for that opinion. Not just a sentences pasted at the end of the text.
Re:icon. Thank you! I fell in love with it. It comes from this rather wonderful fairy tale inspired post by . Highly recommended.
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Yes! I don't get the "it's childish to read them" part, nor do I understand how/why people make condescending comments without any supporting argument whatsoever. It's like just because it's popular and it originally began as children's lit, that somehow invites derision.
Is it a rollicking good story? Yes/No. It's that easy. ;)
And thank you so much for the link to those beautiful icons. Lots of pretty! :)
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It's not like anyone has to read any posts on their flist they don't want to anyway. Just keep doing your own thing and hope someone can see your posts amid all the others.
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Exactly. The second I read unpleasantness that makes me unhappy, I use my filters.
And of course you're very right about understanding the cycles of fandom - these crazes never last, and good gosh, is it that difficult to ignore, skip over and/or filter out the things you don't want to read until the craze calms down? I just don't see any point in spoiling other people's fun. I can't imagine being that petty, and as koalathebear says, the idea that other people's excitement somehow diminishes me would definitely reflect poorly on me as a person.
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If it bothers people that much, they can just stop reading, either by filtering, unfriending, or just utilizing the mouse's scrolling ability. It seems there's ALWAYS something a large chunk of my flist is going on about that makes my eyes glaze over, but it's nothing to complain about...
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They are such lovely pics and I'm glad you posted them again as I think I may have missed them first time round. I especially like the second one - the light in it is so pretty ^__^
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