It's in the books...

[wicked_danu]

"And Lot! (Remember) when he said unto his folk: Will ye commit abomination such as no creature ever did before you?"
-- The Holy Qur'an, Surah al-A'araaf [The Heights], Verse 80.

"Narrated Abu Sa'id al-Khudri: I heard the Messenger of Allah [Muhammad](peace be upon him) as saying: ‘He who amongst you sees something abominable should modify it

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[wicked_danu]

Ok.. you're showing me a whole new side of religion ;)
Lol @ righteous action. You do know that all the preachers would have you shot for even thinking that way, right?

[wicked_danu]

I wish all faiths were like your's!

[mdb_uk]

Try telling that to the Al-Fatiha organization for LGBT Muslims whose members and supporters are deluding themselves into believing that the god of the Qur'an does not hate them.

For once, I disagree with you.

Why do you think they are deluding themselves?

[wicked_danu]

For the reason mentioned above. You can't be a Muslim AND gay. Being a homosexual is not permitted in Islam, no matter how many scientifical proofs you throw in their face that it's a biological matter and not a psycholigical one that can be changed.
Muslims are supposed to believe that the Qur'an is the absolute word of Allah and that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah so whatever he said were Allah's words. Muhammad or the Qur'an can't be wrong. So the homosexuality that the Sodomites and Gomorrites [Lot's people] practised is labeled an abomination by the god telling this story, I think said god pretty much hates them.

And here is the al-Fatiha organization, trying to prove otherwise, trying to be Muslim and gay at the same time. Maybe their IQ is just very very low or maybe they've read between the lines of the holy Qur'an that buttfucking and clit-licking are perfectly acceptable sexual practices, I dunno, but all I know is that in the Qur'an as it appears to us calls homosexuality an abomination, much to my anger.

[mdb_uk]

But the passage you quoted doesn't speak against homosexuality, it just speaks of something abominable...

[wicked_danu]

That is why I quoted the Qur'anic passage above it. Muhammad is referring to any general abomination and homosexuality falls into that category as the quoted verse says.

[anonymous]

You may have a point, but can you honestly blame them for trying to reconcile their two warring identities? It is just basic human nature to want to be accepted and be acceptable. For them, apostasy just isn't an option. Their religion means too much to them just to up and leave, regardless of how logical it might be to do that. When it comes to religion and one's homosexuality, religion doesn't always lose or at least not so quickly. For many, the need to be accepted without question is most important, but some are willing to try to stay and change minds. Al-Fatiha will never change the minds of the radical Muslims out there, but if they can change the minds of the more modern and moderate Muslims and possibly elicit support from them, thereby making life easier on other gay Muslims in the future, shouldn't we applaud them for their efforts?

Aleks

[wicked_danu]

I think the al-Fatiha people are simply foolish. It's like an apple saying, "Hi, I'm an orange."

I don't understand why they want to be part of a religion whose clerics and leaders as well as holy books, holy men and God hate them and don't want them.

God doesn't change his mind, according to Islam. So are they now trying to say that God has changed his mind from what he was thinking in the 7th century? Going against the basic priniciples of Islam here..

If you need to be accepted without question, there are other secular organizations that will accept you unconditionally.

I wouldn't applaud them, no thanks, or anybody who claims to be a gay Muslim.

[wicked_danu]

Balm! It'll burn, mister!

[theregos]

Tut tut my darlings...as long as we're quoting from religious text:

"Consider the work of God: for who can make that straight which he hath made bent?"
Ecclesiastes 7:13

[wicked_danu]

Clever! Very clever, whoever wrote the book of Ecclesiastes.

"I grieve for you, Jonathan my brother;
you were very dear to me.
Your love for me was wonderful,
more wonderful than that of women."
-- King David grieving over Jonathan in II Samuel 1:26.

Re: נִפְלְאַתָה אַהֲבָתְךָ לִי, מֵאַהֲבַת נָשִׁים

[wicked_danu]

I love that verse from the Bible.. it suggests that there might have been more than a simple friendship between the second king of Israel and his predecessor's son. Must've been pretty intense, whatever that relationship must've been.