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lilacs_roses August 23 2012, 05:29:13 UTC
I know a lot of fans really disliked this episode, but I still think it was really good.

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ym4yum1 August 23 2012, 05:45:07 UTC
I think the plot was good, especially when Cheryl said the idea came after 'The Mole'.

It was really cruel to see Colby hurt. But ended well in the next episode/season.

I just think they ended this episode, and the 3rd season, with the family talking about an unknown men, with no mention of Colby.
That was unacceptable. A cliffhanger, ok, but Don must've been devastated and in shock, denial, whatever, but something. Just not nothing. Even a 'what happened?' from Charlie, to a 'don't want talk about' from Don would've been better than nothing at all.

It's Colby. And Don always cared about his people. All of them. Make sense? ;)

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lilacs_roses August 23 2012, 06:11:32 UTC
Totally. That's the thing I don't particularly care about television/movies, you are confined to packing everything into a small time frame where as with a book, you aren't so restricted.

I mean, how many movies are there where you've carried a storyline beyond one movie? Although, it seems as if we are getting more of those -- like the Marvel movies with Captain America, Thor, Iron Man and Avengers (all of which are getting sequels); the Lord of the Rings trilogy; Harry Potter series, especially the last movie/book (two parts).

Granted, television can be done so, and better, but mostly the only ones we see with... I guess you could call it "true continuing storylines" would be soap operas. In most TV shows, you get smaller arcs, not something that goes on and on.

Probably one of the main reasons why I like fanfic so much.

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ym4yum1 August 23 2012, 15:42:06 UTC
Harry Potter movies were so great cause J.K. was always involved in the production of the movies. She said what must be in the movie, and what wasn't necessary. I like them all, books plus movies.

But I also like both separately for different reasons.

In the books we have to imagine, to see the scenes in our minds and the energy to do this is equivalent to a guided meditation (when the therapist talks to you about something, you know?), of course if is a story that pleases you instead of upset. But is all written, what happened, what they said. You know what happens you just have to imagine how.
In the movies, or tv shows, we can see the actors, their performances, and we have to imagine their thoughts cause many times it's not there, not written, not spoken. They simply don't have the time. It's a different kind of energy, but yet also good. We can interpret a look, a smile, but it's just a guess. We don't know for sure what they think cause it's not black and white. We can see something, but we can't be sure what was inside a mind, or ( ... )

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msgrahamcracker August 23 2012, 12:26:14 UTC
One of my main complaints about Numb3rs was the lack of continuity. From one episode to another canon changed, with no apparent reason other than the script being written by a different writer. Things Colby and Carter talked about in "The Mole" didn't even make sense when "The Janus List" was aired.

And, I agree that even though Don would be shocked, I don't think he would just believe some obscure voice on a phone message saying Colby was a spy and arrest him on the spot without talking to him first.

Books are infinitely better - offering a much greater opportunity for extended plot lines with less constriction required. I have yet to find a movie, made from a best seller, that I liked. The book is always better. I am so grateful for the abundance of great Numb3rs stories that I can continue to enjoy even though the show is gone.

BTW, I love the picture of David and Colby hanging from the bridge. Nice.

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ym4yum1 August 23 2012, 16:42:52 UTC
The idea of Colby as spy come after 'The Mole' (Cheryl said), and yes, there were flaws. But it didn't bother me like the final scenes...

I just wrote to lilacs_roses here, that I love both, books and movies. You guys are gifted writers my dear, you know the words, you can identify script flaws. As a simply audience, I humbly enjoy both, combined or not! ;)

xxoo
Mari

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lilacs_roses August 23 2012, 17:54:52 UTC
I agree with both of you, including your reply to me Mari. But I also wanted to say that... it's difficult for me to watch a movie, to enjoy it, if I've read the book first ( ... )

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ym4yum1 August 24 2012, 04:52:27 UTC
LoTR! Exactly! Me too!

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