Comments | warehouse13: Now we are caught up: "MacPherson."

the_blue_fenix in warehouse13

Now we are caught up: "MacPherson."

Sep 27, 2009 12:07

The fscking HELL.

Which is to say, if I pick a plot-structure nit here and there it's a side issue compared to the general winningness of the story's emotional impact.

During the MacPherson-goes-bad flashback, it wasn't completely clear to me that other people's deaths were a known, direct cause of using the Phoenix. Which confused me a bit when ( Read more... )

episode: discussions, ep: 1x13 - macpherson

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kamikazepyro September 27 2009, 17:37:43 UTC

And a truly awkward question: why didn't they just plop him in the Phantom Zone Bronze Sector fifteen years ago instead of diddling around with regular prisons? ("Um. We wanted a kick-*ss season finale.")

That's what I was wondering as well, but at the time he probably didn't seem like that big of a threat. They were wrong.

I couldn't believe the team kept cheerfully using keys and opening boxes and putting on glasses that MacP had left lying around for them to find. Kept expecting one of their heads to explode or at least a case of possession. You never know when an Evil Overlord will decide he's toyed with you long enough.

Yeah, I was also wondering when somebody would get head-shotted. Haha.

"In case someone found this place and could somehow reverse the process." Somehow. By, for instance, using the large conspicuous gadget stored 15 feet from the statues with the large clearly labeled "reverse process" and "release" buttons. Once again I question Warehouse security procedures.Indeed, same here. I know if I got in there and ( ... )

re Godwin's Law the_blue_fenix September 27 2009, 19:54:39 UTC

I don't know you, but I credit you that your plans for an un-defrosted Hitler would include alternating uses of torture equipment and an ICU crash cart for the maximum of time feasible.

The Blue "after you with the gear, I've got Stalin" Fenix

Re: re Godwin's Law kamikazepyro September 27 2009, 22:11:07 UTC

They'd include lots of interrogations and the use of an artifact that steals somebody's knowledge or something. I wouldn't let him leave the Warehouse or get near his microphone; I'm not that insane.

sunkrux September 27 2009, 17:44:01 UTC

kamikazepyro September 27 2009, 17:50:33 UTC

I think in order for the Phoenix to actually kill anyone they have to be in close proximity to whoever has the Phoenix and uses it. I think that Myka & Pete were far enough away that they were safe. I also think Leena and MacNuttyPants (aka MacPherson) were also far enough away to be safe. As was Mrs. Fredric & her bodyguard. So who knows if anyone died, or if he really had the Phoenix. It might have been something else.

I'm starting to think you have to be in close proximity as well, and it's not just random, but who knows for now.

But I don't think Leena can be affected by it either, as she was the one that smuggled it out of the Warehouse for MacPherson to use (unless it has an expiration date or something, lol).

sunkrux September 27 2009, 18:10:37 UTC

I don't think anyone attached to the Warehouse was harmed IF Artie used the Phoenix.

You do know that Hitler wasn't in the bronze section, right. And if he were, he needs to stay there, imho.

kamikazepyro September 27 2009, 18:16:57 UTC

I don't think so either, but it'd be interesting to see if perhaps Eddie was affected somehow.

And yeah, I know Artie told Pete that Hitler was in the Bronze Section. But I'm interested in that kind of stuff, so yeah. XD

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lapislaz September 27 2009, 19:15:57 UTC

I believe the reason McP wasn't already in the Bronze section was that they already believed him to be dead. That said, I agree on the security procedures - they suck. On the other hand, would even a retinal scanner be fooled by the thimble?

As for Leena, I am not ashamed to say I did not see that coming, even with the foreshadowing of the thimble in use earlier. It made for a very neat twist at the end.

NB: Mrs. Frederic is a "Highlander" style immortal. Discuss. Where does she keep her sword?

the_blue_fenix September 27 2009, 19:51:55 UTC

My opinion: Mrs. F does not carry a sword. Her bodyguard carries a high-caliber pistol and a bone saw.

TBF, who's pretty sure Methos plays fast and loose with The Game too when Duncan isn't around to scowl at him.

lapislaz September 27 2009, 20:14:54 UTC

Methos plays fast and loose. With everything and everyone. Including Duncan.

kamikazepyro September 27 2009, 22:08:48 UTC

I think even a retinal scan would be fooled by the Thimble. I mean, the scanners for the artifacts that record video access also probably record fingerprints and whatnot (at least they would in my Warehouse), but I could just be wild carding it there.

And if you pay attention when Leena pulls up the scanner, you'll see a line that looks similar to DNA (I use that term loosely). It could be voice recognition, DNA recognition, anything. But it's got to be something besides just entering a PIN number or pressing "open". Haha.

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triggertrogger September 27 2009, 22:27:40 UTC

On why MacPherson wasn't already in the bronze section: I think it's because it's used for the Baddest of the Bad. Regardless of what MacPherson's doing now, at the time his crime was essentially killing five people to save someone else. That's deplorable, but it's not Hitler/Stalin/Hussein worthy. That's the "stick his ass in prison for the rest of his life" kind of crime. They had no way of knowing he was going to head down this road (so far as we know at this point).

Am I the only one who's going to be seriously disappointed in Artie if he HAS used the Phoenix? I don't want him to die anymore than the rest of you, but, to me, his using the Phoenix to save himself makes him no better, if not worse, than what MacPherson did originally. MacPherson at least used it to save someone else. Artie using it to save himself, knowing full well that it could cause the deaths of his co-workers and friends...I find that a bit despicable.

Artie and moral choice the_blue_fenix September 28 2009, 00:01:11 UTC

No, you're not. But I'm prepared to trust these writers ( ... )

hakuryu08 September 28 2009, 07:14:35 UTC

My current theory about the phoenix is that there is a certain range that decides who dies. And since they are in the middle of nowhere I don't think anyone else is in range (the town is probably too far away). Anyone in range probably has touched the phoenix (I know if I were Pete or Myka, I would have made sure to touch it the moment we got it back. And Leena would have had to touch it when she stole it). So, if I'm right, my question is what happens if no one is in range? This could be an item loophole in order to save Artie and not kill anyone. Also, Artie would probably know about this before he used it (assuming he did).

Wow, I probably really over thought that.