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waltzmatildah September 6 2014, 12:15:36 UTC
I'll start with 11, but probably do 6 as well. I'm easy like that...!

Okay, so. Ladies I'll Love 'Til The End Of Time

ONE | Izzie Stevens | Grey's Anatomy
ARE YOU SURPRISED?!!!!!!!! MY FAVOURITE OF ALL THE FAVOURITES! I COULD META ABOUT THIS SILLY CHICKEN FOR THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF WORDS. IN FACT, I HAVE METAED ABOUT THIS SILLY CHICKEN FOR THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF WORDS!!! She is my Queen. Forever and ever, Amen.

TWO | Katherine Pierce | The Vampire Diaries
QUEEN NUMBER TWO. Again, this will be a surprise to approximately NO-ONE!! I loved her from the VERY MOMENT IN (I believe) EPISODE FOUR OF SEASON ONE WHERE IT BECAME EXPLICITLY CLEAR HOW MUCH SHE HAD ~SCREWED WITH THE SALVATORES. I mean, we weren't to meet her until episodes later, but from that moment on, she became MY FAAAAAAVOURITE. I officially quit the show when she died. I mean, I'd kinda been in and out for a while, but I've not watched a single episode since she was dragged into hell. AND EFF YOU, TOO.

THREE | Skyler White | Breaking ( ... )

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inglevine September 6 2014, 14:54:54 UTC
"I love the way she stood and watched Aynsley choke to death in season one."

Okay... why? I've seen this expressed before and it seems to be thing. I don't get it. (I haven't seen season two, though. Partially because I disliked the way that element of season one was handled so much.)

I know Allison thought Aynsley as her watcher at that point, but she didn't know for sure and I can't see her choice of innaction as anything other than passive murder. And I felt like the show played it for humour, because Aynsley was just a vapid housewife and thus who gives a shit if she dies horribly and needlessly?

What was it about that that made you love Allison? If you don't mind explaining?

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waltzmatildah September 7 2014, 07:33:36 UTC
Okay, first, you thought it was played for the LOLs? Wow. This is SO incredibly NOT my reaction to it. Admittedly, I have nothing to do with fandom, so I had no idea that was the prevailing opinion, but yikes. I did NOT get a comedy vibe from that scene, neither on my first viewing, nor on my recent re-watch.

Secondly, I also didn't get the vibe that Aynsley was being portrayed as the vapid housewife. Not at all. If anything, I think CHAD had that role. And I freaking loved Aynsley/Chad from the moment they appeared. And Aynsley and Chad as individual characters.

As for why I loved the scene (and obviously what I'm about to say is heavily rooted in my two points above); that was because I loved what it told us about Alison. Her ruthlessness. The glimpse it gave us into what was to come/what she could be capable of given the right circumstances. I was utterly shocked by the scene when it aired (and on my rewatch). I found it uncomfortable and intense. Whether it was passive murder or not (is that even a thing?), I have no idea, nor ( ... )

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inglevine September 7 2014, 09:42:34 UTC
I think there's a difference between loving that moment and it's place within the overall story and Allison's character development specifically, and loving Allison for what she did. And I read your comments as the later, I could have misinterpreted ( ... )

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waltzmatildah September 7 2014, 10:35:47 UTC
Ahhh, okay. I need to clarify. I always forget that the way I watch television is (I think) quite unusual, and it's not until discussions like this one that I'm reminded of the differences...

Firstly though, my opinion of the scene/characterisation of the characters involved obviously remains the same.

However, back to my 'love' of Alison and how her involvement in Aynsley's death adds to that... It all ties in to this: I think there's a difference between loving that moment and it's place within the overall story and Allison's character development specifically, and loving Allison for what she did. And I read your comments as the later, I could have misinterpreted.

I never, never, never, never see characters as human beings. When I say 'I love Alison' what I mean is, 'I love this piece of art', because that's what characters are to me. They are as externally created as a sculpture or a painting, if that makes sense. So I am ALWAYS coming to character discussions from your first point of view. And I'm pretty sure that's unusual? ( ... )

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inglevine September 7 2014, 15:39:38 UTC
Ah, yes, I totally get what you mean about seeing a character as a piece of art. I definitely do that too. This is why I can love Kate and Peter in Teen Wolf, while despising them at the same time. They entertain me in a way I really enjoy, at least they did in the first season, but I don't feel love for them.

On the other hand, if I'm really into a piece of art I my suspension of disbelief will be suspended enough that I do feel actual emotions towards the characters as well. I loved Jesse. Like with my heart. If he'd been killed it wouldn't have mattered how perfect it was for the story or his arc or whatever, I'd have been destroyed. Same goes for Harry in HP. And I feel genuine affection toward Skyler ( ... )

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waltzmatildah September 8 2014, 09:42:25 UTC
On the other hand, if I'm really into a piece of art I my suspension of disbelief will be suspended enough that I do feel actual emotions towards the characters as well. I can pretty much never suspend disbelief. And I know this drives some of my closest LJ buddies kinda crazy because I'm always, "but... but... but... no!!"

I loved Jesse. Like with my heart. If he'd been killed it wouldn't have mattered how perfect it was for the story or his arc or whatever, I'd have been destroyed. Not me. I absolutely freaking loved the piece of the puzzle that Jesse was. I loved the way Aaron played him. I loved the chemistry that existed (on and off-screen) between him and Bryan, but there are absolutely circumstances where would have enjoyed Jesse's death. I THINK THIS MAKES ME SUPER WEIRD BUT IT'S ALSO TRUE SO... eeeek!!

I will have to watch season two, of course, to get a wider view of her character and I could easily change my mind. Oh, hang on, wait. You haven't seen season two? Like, ANY of season two? If I remember correctly, there are ( ... )

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inglevine September 8 2014, 13:45:02 UTC
That was me, btw. I logged out without realising somehow.

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catteo September 9 2014, 04:00:28 UTC
You make very good choices. Just saying.

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