I think Doyle/Wesley is becoming my favorite pairing.
...what do you mean, it can't happen? This is the JOSSVERSE. Of course it can.
We need a show that's set in the Dimension of Good Characters That We Really Miss. Giles and Oz and Doyle and Faith. And then we can move in Spike and Wesley and Tara. C'mon, you know you want to.
I've been wanting to do that for ages. And maybe we can get an earlier version of Xander, before he became characterized only as the screw-up attracted to Anya, too.
The writers have to make Holtz evil and crazy and out to hurt people for fun, because otherwise the audience might focus on how genuinely wronged he and his poor, slaughtered family had been by Angel. Of course, I'm focusing on that anyway, so....
You're right about Fred's thinking. To her, Wesley's an all right guy after all because he saved her life. And because him being back means she doesn't have to do all that icky reference book stuff Angel had put her on in Wesley's absence. *sigh*
You can totally get an amen from me on all these points. It's like, sometimes I wonder if people in Hollywood really *do* have fucked up values, where people are considered 'good' or 'evil' by virtue of the fact that people just keep parroting over and over that that's what they are, independant of what they actually *do*.
The terrible evil that Wesley did... he took Connor out of harm's way. He didn't *give* him to Holtz or send him to Hell. He didn't drink Connor's blood or leave him unattended. He tried to save him... and he failed. This was his evil. And I'm sorry it doesn't hold a candle to, say... ANGEL SLEEPING WITH DARLA SO SPECIFICALLY SO HE COULD LOSE HIS SOUL AGAIN!
I just don't see where the betrayal comes in. Or were they just pissed that he *talked* to Holtz behind their backs? Grrr. Froth.
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Yes. And I was also shocked by the poor quality of the bus ride scene. It was like something out of an Adam-12 episode.
Man, *nothing* makes me rant incoherently like Angel these days. *g*
But didn't you know that the audience is stupid? You can feed us anything and then govern our responses by telling us what we should think about it.
Meanwhile, the real problem seems to be that these characters have become so stupid and selfish. I really think that the problem with Wesley for them is all about the secret-keeping, even though we all know that they would have behaved badly if the'd confided in him. Angel gets a free pass on murder, blood magic, attempted torture, and reckless endangerment of innocents, while Wesley is ostracized for trying to save Connor's life.
And you know what the worst thing is?kerowynrebekahMay 7 2002, 16:30:24 UTC
Except for when Wesley was on, and a few times with Connor, I was so *bored*. I didn't even catch the bad bus special effects, because I wasn't really watching at the time. Oh, and I did like the blue-haired dimension expert, as well. *She* at least had the brains to get out of the Hyperion before something else showed up. I just don't get why people are so pissed with Wesley. OK, so he was an idiot, so he made a rather large mistake. Big deal. Every friggin' person in there (except maybe Fred and Lorne) has made huge mistakes of judgment that they regretted afterwards. Especially Angel. I really wanted Cordelia, after helping Angel get over his Connor-grief a bit, to bitchslap Angel and remind him that they'd forgiven him when he made huge mistakes, so why can't we forgive Wes, too
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Re: And you know what the worst thing is?viridian5May 8 2002, 06:45:20 UTC
Alas, Cordelia. All of her edge and blunt common sense is gone, replaced by an unreasoning loyalty to Angel and vague yet convenient demon powers.
Groo definitely sounds sarcastic, since he agrees with veyr few of Angel's decisions and most of Angel's decisions just lead to further badness. Definite character development. Who thought that Groo might become the closest thing to an audience stand-in on this show? (Wait, he's not the only stand-in. Wes personifies my feelings of being betrayed and trapped by Angel.)
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...what do you mean, it can't happen? This is the JOSSVERSE. Of course it can.
We need a show that's set in the Dimension of Good Characters That We Really Miss. Giles and Oz and Doyle and Faith. And then we can move in Spike and Wesley and Tara. C'mon, you know you want to.
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hie the over to Jennifer Oksana's site. She has two now. Dark and dangerous as you could ask for and one even has Ethan in it. *g*
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You're right about Fred's thinking. To her, Wesley's an all right guy after all because he saved her life. And because him being back means she doesn't have to do all that icky reference book stuff Angel had put her on in Wesley's absence. *sigh*
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The terrible evil that Wesley did... he took Connor out of harm's way. He didn't *give* him to Holtz or send him to Hell. He didn't drink Connor's blood or leave him unattended. He tried to save him... and he failed. This was his evil. And I'm sorry it doesn't hold a candle to, say... ANGEL SLEEPING WITH DARLA SO SPECIFICALLY SO HE COULD LOSE HIS SOUL AGAIN!
I just don't see where the betrayal comes in. Or were they just pissed that he *talked* to Holtz behind their backs? Grrr. Froth.
Anyway...
Yes. And I was also shocked by the poor quality of the bus ride scene. It was like something out of an Adam-12 episode.
Man, *nothing* makes me rant incoherently like Angel these days. *g*
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Meanwhile, the real problem seems to be that these characters have become so stupid and selfish. I really think that the problem with Wesley for them is all about the secret-keeping, even though we all know that they would have behaved badly if the'd confided in him. Angel gets a free pass on murder, blood magic, attempted torture, and reckless endangerment of innocents, while Wesley is ostracized for trying to save Connor's life.
That all makes perfect sense....
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Er, um, will you be writing this soon?
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Though that would definitely be one messed up fic, probably ending with Angel staking himself in horror. Don't think I'm the one to write though.
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Groo definitely sounds sarcastic, since he agrees with veyr few of Angel's decisions and most of Angel's decisions just lead to further badness. Definite character development. Who thought that Groo might become the closest thing to an audience stand-in on this show? (Wait, he's not the only stand-in. Wes personifies my feelings of being betrayed and trapped by Angel.)
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