The Number 12: Disciples, Tribes and the Zodiac

[vexen]

"The Divine Number 12: 12 Gods, 12 Disciples, 12 Tribes and the Zodiac" by Vexen Crabtree (2007)):
The conclusion reads (briefly; many interesting tid-bits are iterated through first!):
When you see the number twelve, watch out. If the number is employed in a practical sense to divide time, measurements, or angles, then the chances are it makes

Comments

[hiddenpaw]

You state that The important thing about twelve is that for such a low number it is deviserble by so many others. Specificaly one, two, three, four and six.

You Then say in your conclution that it is sill to think twelve is important to gods because we use a base ten number system and it would be silly to assume a god or gods would.

What base number system you use is irelivant as what ever you hapen to call the numbers if you have twelve pebles you can devide them in to one, two, three, four or six even piles. This is the case weather you write twelve as 12, c, 1100 or XII.

You may as well say gods wouldn't think of twelve as a mystic number because he prefers to speak in ancient hebrew.

[vexen]

You are clearly right, thanks for pointing that out!

the # 12

[hiddenpaw]

time out! the # 12 'conspiracy' u speak of Would have merit EXCEPT most of the issues in the bible that deal with the #12 were introduced and made part of the bible CENTURIES before the babylonians came up with #12's signifigance to the zodiac, which was in 5th-7th century BC!!! c u n hell, dumbass

12 Tribes of Israel

[anonymous]

I really don't understand the point of what you are getting at with the number 12. However, the 12 Tribes of Israel are REAL, even if you don't believe in God. They are Jacob's 12 sons, which are the 12 Tribes of Israel. They EXIST historically. Actually, the perfect number of God is 7, not 12. Also, the 12 Tribes of Israel, the land of Israel and the Jewish people are VERY important to God, because Heaven has the 12 tribes all over it. This is why: Revelation 21:10-14

Re: 12 Tribes of Israel

[vexen]

The 12 sons of Jacob are mythical.

Re: 12 Tribes of Israel

[anonymous]

Prove that they are "mythical."

Re: 12 Tribes of Israel

[vexen]

“According to Sherwin Wine, the major exponent of Humanistic Judaism, the traditional conception of Jewish history is mistaken. In his view, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob never existed. Furthermore, the Exodus account is a myth: 'There is no historical evidence to substantiate a massive Hebrew departure from the land of the Pharaohs. As far as we can surmise, the Hebrew occupation of the hill country on both sides of the Jordan was continuous. The 12 tribes never left their ancestral land, never endured 400 years of slavery, and never wandered the Sinai desert.' Moreover, Moses was not the leader of the Hebrews, nor did he compose the Torah. In this light, it is an error to regard the biblical account as authoritative; rather it is a human record of the history of the Israelite nation, the purpose of which is to reinforce the faith of the Jewish nation.”

"Encyclopedia of New Religions" by Prof. Christopher Partridge, p118

Other historians such as Prof. Bart Ehrman, etc, have also pointed out that there is little historical evidence behind

[vexen]

There is only really two levels of evolution:

1. Duplication.
2. Death.

Life results from this cycle, but it is odd to phrase it in such melodramatic terms as you have done. Tell me, what are you counting as a "level"? I am well-versed in evolution, so don't shy away from a technical answer.

[vexen]

Death is a major part of evolution because it depletes populations, defines lifespans, frees resources, and most importantly ends an individual's ability to duplicate hir genes

Atheism

[spchless]

I was just wondering if you have any faith or belief in anything that is not concrete and tangible. Please so not take offense. I am not big on zodiacs or other systems of the sort but do understand a higher power at work in the universe. Consider if humans really represented the greatest intelligence. In the Museum of Antiquities in Cairo they have a battery dating back over 4,000 years yet are unable to figure out how the ancient civilizationcreated the battery using the technology of the day. Much like trying to build a pyramid.

If that knowledge and ability is lost, perhaps an underlying truth to the mysticism of the religious beliefs of cultures is waiting to be rediscovered.

The number 12 in astronomy and myth

[anonymous]

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