I hear that argument a lot, although mainly aimed towards gays, complaints about fighting for rights as opposed to equality. Eck.
I've also got a friend who said she's disown me if I became a 'proper feminisit, a total man hater'.
(Since you always said to just ask)...it does confuse me slightly, hearing this come from you, not the womens rights or anything...um, maybe the all about men part or something.
At any rate, I look forward to your feminist reading list. =D
I've also got a friend who said she's disown me if I became a 'proper feminisit, a total man hater'.
Eww. It's rather disturbing that people think a "proper feminist" hates men.
it does confuse me slightly, hearing this come from you, not the womens rights or anything...um, maybe the all about men part or something.
(Tell me if I don't answer your question.)
I'm not a man. I don't identify as a man. I don't intend to live as a man. I prefer male pronouns to female simply because that's a part of myself that has been denied. The pronouns I really prefer are gender neutral (ze/zir). I don't identify as a woman, but I identify with women. I'm physically female. The second thing people will note about me is my C/D cup breasts (the first is my race). I have been socialized as female my entire life. Women's issues are my issues.
Thanks a lot for answering ♥ It pretty much answers it, yeah.
I think what was confusing me is that I personally can't imagine picking male over female, which I suppose is a bit sexist (preference to females), but at the same time I don't wear skirts/maekup/etc. I know what you mean about genderless pronouns, If given the option I'd choose them too. Shame the language doesn't accommodate that... Also I understand on the chest thing, I'm DD, so people can tell my gender straight away.
Thanks a lot for answering, I hope you didn't mind me asking! ^^;
And as to the other comment, I know, It's ridiculous. And most of my friends are male too, so I'm certainly not a man hater. XD
I consider myself a feminist and gender equalist. Actually I consider that sentence redundant, because to me feminism IS about making the genders equal. Period. It's the female side of that, for sure, so it concentrates on how to better the lives of females. But anyone who thinks that giving females a better life somehow takes away from men...needs a serious logic check. Improving people's lives is not a zero-sum game. And looking HONESTLY at the world, on the whole, which gender needs more serious attention when it comes to helping improve their lives? That would be the females
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Actually I consider that sentence redundant, because to me feminism IS about making the genders equal.
Exactly. Feminism focuses on women, because women are the ones who are oppressed. Our patriarchal culture hurts men as well, but men earn more, are far less likely to be raped (1 in 6 women vs 1 in 33 men), are less likely to be abused by a romantic partner, and all around deal with less shit. I'm not going to change my language just to make those in power feel safer.
My feminism is all about choice. Being a stay-at-home-mom is just as worthy a choice as being a CEO. But, for a choice to be real, there have to be options. Considering the divorce and domestic violence rates, it's dangerous for a woman to be dependent on a man. My mother is especially adamant about this, because she was dependent on my dad, then had to struggle to go back to school and get a job when they got divorced. So, a woman should have the option of being a housewife, but she should also have the option of being something else if she has to be.
Agreed. I proudly consider myself a feminist -- yes, gender equality is what we're going after, but the term "gender equalists" is just kind of silly.
That said, I do hate the stereotypical "man-hating" feminists, who like rocknlobster mentioned are anti-housewives and stuff. And I do think that it is currently more acceptable for women to behave in a "masculine" way than it is for a man to behave in a "feminine" way (again, the stay-at-home dads as mentioned above).
Still, I know what you mean re: the All About Men thing. Would comment further, but brain not functioning.
And I do think that it is currently more acceptable for women to behave in a "masculine" way than it is for a man to behave in a "feminine" way
I agree, but I think it's important to remember that that attitude comes from the patriarchy we live in. "Masculine" is higher, "feminine" is lower. A woman (or female-bodied person) who acts "masculine" is bettering themselves, while a man (or male-bodied person) is lowering themselves. Female is inferior, so it's understandable that a woman would be try to be more like the superior male (though, obviously, she'll never actually be as good as a man). On the other hand, a man who drops to the inferior female is a traitor to the dominant group.
My brain isn't functioning either. And I have a paper to write.
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I hear that argument a lot, although mainly aimed towards gays, complaints about fighting for rights as opposed to equality. Eck.
I've also got a friend who said she's disown me if I became a 'proper feminisit, a total man hater'.
(Since you always said to just ask)...it does confuse me slightly, hearing this come from you, not the womens rights or anything...um, maybe the all about men part or something.
At any rate, I look forward to your feminist reading list. =D
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Eww. It's rather disturbing that people think a "proper feminist" hates men.
it does confuse me slightly, hearing this come from you, not the womens rights or anything...um, maybe the all about men part or something.
(Tell me if I don't answer your question.)
I'm not a man. I don't identify as a man. I don't intend to live as a man. I prefer male pronouns to female simply because that's a part of myself that has been denied. The pronouns I really prefer are gender neutral (ze/zir). I don't identify as a woman, but I identify with women. I'm physically female. The second thing people will note about me is my C/D cup breasts (the first is my race). I have been socialized as female my entire life. Women's issues are my issues.
Does that make any sense?
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I think what was confusing me is that I personally can't imagine picking male over female, which I suppose is a bit sexist (preference to females), but at the same time I don't wear skirts/maekup/etc. I know what you mean about genderless pronouns, If given the option I'd choose them too. Shame the language doesn't accommodate that...
Also I understand on the chest thing, I'm DD, so people can tell my gender straight away.
Thanks a lot for answering, I hope you didn't mind me asking! ^^;
And as to the other comment, I know, It's ridiculous. And most of my friends are male too, so I'm certainly not a man hater. XD
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Exactly. Feminism focuses on women, because women are the ones who are oppressed. Our patriarchal culture hurts men as well, but men earn more, are far less likely to be raped (1 in 6 women vs 1 in 33 men), are less likely to be abused by a romantic partner, and all around deal with less shit. I'm not going to change my language just to make those in power feel safer.
My feminism is all about choice. Being a stay-at-home-mom is just as worthy a choice as being a CEO. But, for a choice to be real, there have to be options. Considering the divorce and domestic violence rates, it's dangerous for a woman to be dependent on a man. My mother is especially adamant about this, because she was dependent on my dad, then had to struggle to go back to school and get a job when they got divorced. So, a woman should have the option of being a housewife, but she should also have the option of being something else if she has to be.
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That said, I do hate the stereotypical "man-hating" feminists, who like rocknlobster mentioned are anti-housewives and stuff. And I do think that it is currently more acceptable for women to behave in a "masculine" way than it is for a man to behave in a "feminine" way (again, the stay-at-home dads as mentioned above).
Still, I know what you mean re: the All About Men thing. Would comment further, but brain not functioning.
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I agree, but I think it's important to remember that that attitude comes from the patriarchy we live in. "Masculine" is higher, "feminine" is lower. A woman (or female-bodied person) who acts "masculine" is bettering themselves, while a man (or male-bodied person) is lowering themselves. Female is inferior, so it's understandable that a woman would be try to be more like the superior male (though, obviously, she'll never actually be as good as a man). On the other hand, a man who drops to the inferior female is a traitor to the dominant group.
My brain isn't functioning either. And I have a paper to write.
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