incompetence, thy name is real madrid...

Nov 15, 2008 22:25

This might just have been Bernd Schuster's last match as coach of Real Madrid, and if it was, I don't quite agree with it. Granted, it's always the easiest to sack the coach when the team isn't doing well because it's cheaper than sacking the players who are actually responsible for it. But is it fair? Schuster did a great job at Getafe, and I'm ( Read more... )

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txorakeriak November 15 2008, 21:37:10 UTC
*cuddles back* You really are the most wonderful person I've ever met. ♥

Thank you so much for this. And I'm really glad you're not gloating - even though you would have every right to do so, it's just fantastic how well Barça are doing at the moment. (And humiliating. But mostly fantastic because I do have a soft spot for them.) I can't quite explain where that unusual atmosphere comes from. I think it's been like that since the start of this season, and it affirms me in my belief that Schuster never got a real chance. :/

Love you too, mi suerte. *mwah*

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txorakeriak November 15 2008, 22:32:11 UTC
I just had to rant after this game, I was so fucking angry. *sigh*

You're right, in the end it's the players' performances that decide a game, and they're responsible for that. The coach might have given them a strategy and instructions, but if they don't stick to it and carry out his orders, what is he supposed to do? Especially in Schuster's position, when the captain's words matter more than his?

Maybe our players are more self-confident and snobbish than Getafe's, but they have to justify that somehow, and they don't. Schuster might not talk much, but he brought success to Getafe, who aren't as skilled and classy as Real. They made something out of the few words Schuster spoke to them. Can't it be expected that a team with so much potential like Real compensates their coach's taciturnity and perform to their standards ( ... )

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motsdesoie November 15 2008, 23:12:22 UTC
I think the coach has the power to revolutionize the team and Schuster not doing that (not only not doing it, he seems to live in a world where Real Madrid is playing fantastic), is precisely what makes us want to see him out. I'll accept that some of the players have no business in Real Madrid but this is the same team that amazed us last season. Things shouldn't be like this and a change of ideas might come in handy. It would be incredible if Mijatovic and Calderón just left because they're just as damaging, especially the former, but that won't happen ( ... )

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txorakeriak November 24 2008, 17:12:38 UTC
Sorry for the late reply.

Yeah, Schuster has made some rather stupid remarks to the press recently, and one might get the impression that he's given up (or that he thinks Real are playing awesomely), but I don't think that's quite the case. He handed in a list of players he wanted at the beginning of the season, but most of his requests were denied because Calderón and Mijatović were too busy offending Villa and Cazorla. You're right, this is the very team that won the league last season, but that's also thanks to Schuster's coaching, and I agree with him that there are some players who don't really fit into the team and should be replaced as soon as possible. I think everyone at the club has to re-focus on the really important matters.

Everytime he goes out from the start is like going out with 10.
You just said it better than I ever could.

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casi_casi November 15 2008, 23:18:53 UTC
Woah, angry!Bill. *hugs you* Remember, it could be worse. Look at Liverpool's last few league seasons. *shudders*

I'm not even going to pretend that I know anything about Real Madrid. But it's only been eleven games - they're not even a third of the way through the season. I'm sure it'll get better as the year progresses. Surely it's too early to be panicking? I certainly think it's too early to be sacking Schuster - reminds me of the EPL and how quick so many clubs are to sack their managers after only a few bad games. *sighs*
What's wrong with Raúl, out of curiosity? Didn't he score some goals last week or something? *is obviously clueless*

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txorakeriak November 24 2008, 17:12:52 UTC
Sorry for the late reply.

I don't think Liverpool's last few league seasons were as worrying as Real's current one. The main difference is that Liverpool focused on the Champions League and did well there, whereas Real currently suck in every single competition. Kicked out of the Copa del Rey against a third-league team, drawing and losing against mediocre teams in the league, and not showing much effort in the CL either. And it's not just the results, it's the way those results are achieved. It almost seems as if we're worthless up front without Ruud van Nistelrooy. *sigh* And now our second best striker is injured as well. Fortunately, they played a lot better last weekend and showed me they're not quite dead yet, so I'm a little consoled. Let's hope they'll keep up the work and do well on Tuesday, even with Higuaín out. Calderón might not have sacked Schuster yet, but if the team doesn't keep winning, I'm sure he'll sack him soon.

What's wrong with Raúl, out of curiosity?Raúl is a mere shadow of his former self. He used to be an ( ... )

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casi_casi November 25 2008, 02:38:15 UTC
Fortunately, they played a lot better last weekend and showed me they're not quite dead yet, so I'm a little consoled.
Oh, well that's a slight relief. As you can probably tell, I'm really clueless when it comes to Real. I didn't know that the performances were horrendous on top of the bad results.

Woah, the Raúl situation sounds like the Indian cricket team. Sorry, this is really random, but in India they have almost the exact same sort of hierarchy problem. The senior players are never dropped because they're all cosy with the board. The team suffers as a result, because these players are nowhere near as good as they were in their prime, and it's like they're playing with nine/ten players instead of eleven. *sighs* So I understand what you mean. There's a massive structural problem.

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txorakeriak November 27 2008, 18:14:44 UTC
The actual problem is that the results weren't really that bad recently, apart from the many goals we got against us. We won quite a lot of points in our recent games, but they were utterly undeserved because we were bad and the other teams unlucky. I do believe that since the Valladolid game, we've been on a good path, and things have improved a little. The points against Huelva and BATE were earned, which is something we can build on ( ... )

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lhuneldaiel November 15 2008, 23:39:17 UTC
So why did they employ him in the first place?
Because he did a great job at Getafé, and he's an ex-Madrid player (and ex-Barça and ex-Atlético, LOL). He promised more attacking football than Capello.

Schuster asked for reinforcements, for a Right Winger for instance, but Calderón and Pedja were too busy flirting with a spoiled brat CRonaldo and arguing with The Senile One. By the time it was clear that CRon wouldn't come, it was too late. That offer made to Villa was insulting, and Robinho was already pissed off and wanted to leave. They never should have sold Balboa (winger ( ... )

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txorakeriak November 24 2008, 17:13:07 UTC
Sorry for the late reply.Yeah, well, then why didn't they give him a chance to improve the team? They've been in the business for quite some time now, they should know that changes like this can't be achieved within a fortnight. And there were some pretty heavy anti-Schuster vibes within the first weeks of his arrival already! I just don't think that Real's management have ever given him a fair chance, that's all. The fact that they didn't sack him after the Valladolid game proves that. I think they're feeling guilty. Also, they must know that there would be no point in sacking Schuster. If they replace him now and his replacement fails as well (which is bound to happen, since the main problem is the squad itself), it would fall back on Calderón ( ... )

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