actually, it IS all about Sam. (5x11 and others)

Jan 24, 2010 22:29

i'd seen a review of sure, Sam's name is in the title but it still focused on Dean, Dean's issues, Dean's inner demons, that even though Sam's name was in the title it was still all about Dean in the end ( Read more... )

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wishflthinkr January 25 2010, 03:42:26 UTC
Yeah it was alluded to all the way back in Devil's Trap when John/Yellow Eyes said something like, "They don't need you, not like you need them."

I think even in the pilot Sam said Dean could do the hunting on his own, but Dean said he didn't want to. Scared of being alone, seriously.

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trystan830 January 25 2010, 03:45:01 UTC
it was mentioned and referenced, but apparently forgotten.

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donna_c_punk January 25 2010, 03:42:42 UTC
Maybe I'm missing the point, but that still has everything to do with Dean.

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trystan830 January 25 2010, 03:46:06 UTC
it may still have to do WITH Dean, but it's ABOUT Sam. Sam's very much a part of it all.

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donna_c_punk January 25 2010, 03:53:46 UTC
Which, yes, I do get from your explanation. But when you have an episode with Sam's name in it, you'd expect it to center on Sam directly, not indirectly, is what that is. Like we'd get an instance with Sam having a talk with an invisible head shrinker, not Dean.

As an audience, we know Dean's problems all too well, and we're not that familiar with exactly what makes Sam tick. Everything's so general or speculation on the part of the audience. Then Kripke's telling us Sam's "selfish" and "arrogant" and I really don't see that in his character. Of anyone, he's describing Dean there.

I dunno, maybe I'm just super bitchy that the slant of the show's been so obviously towards Dean in the past two seasons. At the expense of fairly developing Sam as a three dimensional character.

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trystan830 January 25 2010, 04:01:24 UTC
i'd like to think the end of it - Sam admitting he's angry - is the start of More About Sam.

the other possibility is this - maybe it's sounding great in the writer's room, on paper, in Kripke's head - and it translates to the screen wrong.

while Dean's talking to the invisible doctor, Sam's talking to the real doctor. personally, i think it was well-done and pretty balanced - i'm sure there's the segment of the fandom that didn't like it because Dean and Sam weren't on the screen together all the time. but then again, this is me, who likes pretty much everything.

(at least i remember what happens in Supernatural to post about it. what happened in 24 last week? Castle? Nip/Tuck? i have NO idea. i honest-to-goddess forgot once i turned off the tv. hell, i even forgot the last scene in the Vampire Diaries.)

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coldconcrete January 25 2010, 06:42:59 UTC
You my dear are a genuis and I agree with you 100%. It is all about my little Sammy Pants, and Deanie Babie's insane love for him, lol.

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trystan830 January 25 2010, 14:17:02 UTC
actually, it's about Sam, and Dean, in turn.

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coldconcrete January 26 2010, 02:01:55 UTC
Is that not what I said? That's what I meant, not to steal your brain thinks or anything, lol.

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trystan830 January 26 2010, 03:37:07 UTC
yeah, that might have been what you said..... my brain is mush and not really thinking.

btw, how did you find my little corner of the LJ'verse?

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aphrodite33 January 25 2010, 06:54:10 UTC
While I agree with you, I also would like to see a little more in Sam's head, to know more about what he is thinking and feeling. We know so much about Dean but not enough about Sam.

However; I think Sam is just a closed off person.. He never explained his family to Jess, except that he had one... =) Granted he had friends but what did they really know about him. I don't think Sam is the overly sharing type of guy, but I also think Dean and his father had something to do with that...

*hugs*

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trystan830 January 25 2010, 14:17:39 UTC
i'd like to know more about Sam too!

but i agree, while Sam seems more willing to share, he really doesn't....

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luthien_af January 25 2010, 14:32:53 UTC
However; I think Sam is just a closed off person.. He never explained his family to Jess, except that he had one... =) Granted he had friends but what did they really know about him.
Yes!

And like trystan830 said, he seems more willing to share, but he doesn't... Not really.

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x5vale January 25 2010, 08:15:48 UTC
Interesting point of view but I think for Dean is not all about Sam anymore.

I guess what they meant is that the show keeps showing us Dean and little or nothing about Sam.

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trystan830 January 25 2010, 14:18:50 UTC
i think they're trying to show Sam. maybe they just can get in his head, or Sam doesn't want to talk to them.

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x5vale January 25 2010, 17:03:41 UTC
Maybe he doesn't :)

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trystan830 January 25 2010, 17:08:22 UTC
when i was writing my Maya'verse - #4, i believe it was, Blood Bonds, some of it was first person from Dean's POV. when i got to writing a scene with Sam, i wanted first person. the Sam in my head said "no way. you're telling my story, i'm not telling it." only when i got up to Maelstrom was Sam ready for first person. maybe it's the same way in the writers' room?

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