Heh, how guys wince; Or, One *odd* post

[thoth_moon]

From a recent discussion: Is circumcision as huge a deal as some squicky guys want to make it out to be?  I don't really think it is, but maybe that's because I'm a girl and don't understand all the hype about any modification, however slight, to the OMG ALMIGHTY PENIS.  *shakes head*  Boys are zealous of their toys, no?  Of course, I find myself

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[hcolleen]

I brought this up (the necro v. pedo) in an irc channel...one of the suggestions was for an "organ donor's" card type thing. But, they agreed necro was superior to pedo as a socially tolerable fetish (or should be)

[thoth_moon]

I wonder, would that take some of the intensity out of the horror of dying a virgin? *grins*

Yes, that's what you'd think people would agree to, right? That's why I was so perplexed, maybe *appalled*, with the people who were so vehemently appalled with my view on it. Let's just therapize the hell out of the children then, shall we, so long as no smelly squishy vandalism occurs. People.

[nicanthiel]

I'm anti-circumcision, because I see no point in it. Medical circumcision is also highly inhumane, and often, the parents aren't given the choice (not that I think it should be the parents' choice to begin with; I dislike anytime someone thinks they can decide something major in a person's life just because they have "authority," especially for things that often end up Epic FAIL, like gender-assignment for intersexed babies).

I'm also highly un-ick. Although, I might wince now when watching the tattooing scene, but just from empathetic pain. Tattoos FUCKING HURT.

[thoth_moon]

In some places, yeah, there's probably no point to it anymore since its main function is easier cleanliness. But it annoys me when some guy is whining all about how much he HATES his parents or whatever for letting him be circumcised in infancy. (That's extreme, I know, I've only seen anti-circumcision that extreme once, but still I wanted to slap the hell out of him!)

However, you're right--the messing around with the intersex baby thing should be a MAJOR NO-NO. I've even heard of occurences where the doctor blatantly went *behind the parents' backs* when they wanted it left alone. Fellow should have lost his license for that, along with a few other things, I thought.

I don't yet have any tattoos, but I've seen people get them and can imagine that it does. Doesn't bother me, though. Maybe the empathetic part of my brain is underdeveloped or something.

[nicanthiel]

Oh, yeah. I thought the same thing. Then I got one :P Seeing them is not at all the same as feeling them.

[thoth_moon]

The power of experience, hm?

[amymcclair]

Wow, I am currently picturing men bowing down before a gigantic penis sticking up from the ground.

I can see your point. I agree that necro is the lesser of three evils in this case. I think the aversion to necro comes from the people who have spiritual ties to the dead - They feel that defiling the body is defiling the person who used to be that body. In essence, they see it as rape because the body can no longer refuse sex. I find this view somewhat skewed and in no way worse than pedophilia or sex with animals.

As to the tattooing, well what can you say about culture. It is not mine and so I reserve judgment. I actually know someone who is lulled by tattooing. Then again, she is kind of weird. :)

[thoth_moon]

Heh--Oh! Oh! Check this aggravation--when some of those OMG bann cerkumcizion! folk then turn around and say that we should legalize incest because it's nobody's business! Okay, first point is matter of opinion among individuals, even if some are really zealous over it, but that second one...?

Spiritual ties to the dead--hey, did you know that that was the motivation behind some of the original practices of cannibalism? The look on people's faces when told XD

Exactly. Some thing regardless of culture can be judged, but I don't think that's one of those. And lulled--you mean the needles going in and out of the skin *relaxes* her or something? Hm, well, maybe it's a quasi-masochistic-type thing.

there's life in the old lady yet

[rotynd]

Wow. I just had to comment because especially after my beloved anthropology course, it bothers me when people get morally outraged to the point of argumentative over things like that, the tribal-tattoos thing or cannibalism. I mean, when it's a cultural practice... no. You just don't get to make that kind of judgment when you'd be doing the exact same thing if you'd been born in the right time and place. And yes, I do lose my much-vaunted perspective when it comes to things like clitoridectomies, but still. One has to take a step back.

And the necrophilia thing... well. My view is that a thing is only wrong when it hurts someone. Bestiality and pedophilia do. Necrophilia doesn't need to. I mean, it could, if the deceased's loved ones found out and were upset, as they'd have a right to be, but...

Re: there's life in the old lady yet

[thoth_moon]

One of the earliest forms of cannibalism actually wasn't the UghUgh Me eat Enemy's Heart for Strength!!1 cliche that so many people think of. Family members just didn't want to commit the dead one to the scavengers and decomposers, so what better form of interment than their own bodies? People have difficulty wrapping their mind around that for some reason.

Re: there's life in the old lady yet

[rotynd]

Really? I didn't know that, and it makes me happy. Because it reminds me of that beautifully creepy scene in "No Rest for the Wicked", and then in general all of the fairy tale things where people get eaten. Back safe inside...

Although I like eating-the-heart thing, too, because hearts are just fun. Like mirrors.