What would it take for you to not believe what you believe? [Shit disturbing meme]

Jan 14, 2014 14:20

I would like to start a meme. Especially for you politicos out there ( Read more... )

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natowelch January 15 2014, 03:25:10 UTC
Your two things are nouns, not propositional beliefs, at all. "IP" isn't partly normative - it's totally normative, and ineradicably politcal. While your choice of Ubuntu isn't normative (it's about what you choose and want to use, rather than what you choose or want others to), it isn't a statement either.

So, do you want to revise the meme requirements to match what appears to be really interesting in this vein - or do we stick with the rules as laid out?

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themusicgod1 January 15 2014, 06:22:47 UTC
"So, do you want to revise the meme requirements to match what appears to be really interesting in this vein"

I am not 100% sure what you're going for but ...I am hoping that if there's an interesting variant close by in meme-space that that is the one that gets posted to your journal not mine :) I'm going for maximum dispersal and impact.

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natowelch January 15 2014, 07:19:54 UTC
It's definitely a worthy exercise to prompt people to think carefully about //how// they come to the conclusions they do, and about what parts of those arguments are essential and necessary to them. Because they often don't. I believe the scientific method calls this falsifiability, no? It's as important to know that you HAVE assumptions that lead to your conclusions as it is to know which ones are indispensible to them. There's a lot to say about it.

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natowelch January 15 2014, 07:24:19 UTC
The difference between normative desires and declarative beliefs is an important part of this, because the weakest places in arguments leading to affirmations of declarative conclusions probably occurs when arguments magically and subtly cross the lines between these two categories. If, in tracing the logic from a declarative belief backwards by asking "why do I belief this", you find yourself talking about something you //want// instead of something that's proabably true, that's probably a pretty weak point in the argument.

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natowelch January 17 2014, 01:33:08 UTC
I took a serious look at Mint Debian Edition recently, as well as going back to Debian on my server. Mint seems like a really good escape route should Canonical render Ubuntu intolerably corrupted.

In the end, I decided to upgrade to Trusty Tahr LTS this year, rather than switch back to Debian-based distros. Trusty is going to have numerous package upgrades I could really use, many of which Wheezy lacks. When Jesse releases next year, I will re-evaluate.

I'm still on Precise for every machine I manage, although I tried Raring briefly when it released. The non-LTS Ubuntu releases just didn't have enough to offer this cycle, mostly because I've never used Unity. And now that they're only supported with patches for 9 months, I've decided I'm getting too old to stay on their schedule.

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themusicgod1 January 18 2014, 02:55:31 UTC
I still can't get unity to work. I can't imagine how 'normal' users deal with it other than just giving up on ubuntu entirely.

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natowelch January 18 2014, 02:57:56 UTC
I've never even seen it. I'm too busy getting work done on Xubuntu.

This seems to be the decade of changes that users didn't ask for.

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natowelch January 18 2014, 11:25:43 UTC
Mind you, I've also been exploring, of all things, FreeBSD, and I have discovered that it actaully has almost everything I use on a daily basis.

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ext_2379799 January 18 2014, 08:57:19 UTC
Alright, I'll bite. What's shaking? - M2tM

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