The Walking Dead: 5.04, and Signs Of A False Dawn

Nov 05, 2014 21:18

WHAT UP, ATLANTA!Well, I hope everyone out there in tv land likes Beth! They all really do, I bet. And maintaining that illusion, as well as my bloodpressure, is one of the reasons I continue to avoid any and all TWD chatter whatsoever out there on the internet. (Ahhh, sweet tranquility.) My own insta-reaction to this episode was to send the ( Read more... )

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Excuse me as I ramble in your direction about similar things im_ridiculous November 6 2014, 11:17:41 UTC
I was aiming for a coherent reply, but I think this basically turned into incoherent flailing in your general direction... so. Eh, you'll cope. ;D

God bless you and your overconnecting brain, I love it so.

And dude. A-tlanta. Dude. YES. YOU HAVE DEFINITELY WON ME OVER on this whole alphabet ~signs thing. :DDD But seriously and relatedly, I cannot even handle that we've come back to Atlanta. Actually horrified by this development. /o ( ... )

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Re: Excuse me as I ramble in your direction about similar things im_ridiculous November 6 2014, 11:18:03 UTC
Speaking of Carol, because now's as good a time as any...

Interestingly, while I do think she absolutely carries around the weight of what she did (with the sick people, with Lizzie), at the same time, I never read it having the same kind of weight on her that it does on Tyreese. That is to say, I think it's crushing Tyreese, whereas Carol, in her conviction that what she did was right even if it wasn't easy or pleasant, or like she was happy about doing it, is not being crushed by it. She did terrible things, but for good reason, and so she can and will live with it. At least, that's always been my reading of her.

In fact, when she and Tyreese have that conversation at the river post-Terminus, he is the one who says, 'we don't have to tell them about the girls, I don't want to', and to me, she seemed genuinely surprised at this suggestion. His response to her asking 'why?' is "I just need to forget it." I kinda read that as her not being proud of what happened with the girls, not in the slightest, but also not necessarily being ( ... )

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Re: Excuse me as I ramble in your direction about similar things themonkeytwin November 9 2014, 09:07:02 UTC
Nargh. As always, I'll get back to diving into all of this (splash! wheee!) when my brain is in working order, but I just wanted to say I'm feeling sliiiightly better about Carol again, at least for this part of the season (I'm still anxious about her chances of making it to season six). Ironically enough, I've kind of come back to my very first instinct - she's staking out (well, staking in) Beth and the hospital, and it's just Daryl with Noah in the bushes going for the cavalry - with all the factors I can actually make out, that just feels like the most likely shape. And - so far at least - I can't think of any times the show has killed off both matched pairs in the same episode/event unless they were specifically introduced together (Lizzie and Mika, Mitch and Pete). I'm really, really hoping Dawn serves as a cautionary object lesson for Carol and helps her course-correct. *crosses fingers ( ... )

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Re: Excuse me as I ramble in your direction about similar things im_ridiculous November 10 2014, 03:39:27 UTC
*holds you* *no seriously, clinging*

First of all, lovely, as always there is neither hurry nor obligation!
Secondly, yeah, I'm feeling good about Carol (and yeeeeessssss to course correction), and yes, Noah in the bushes/Daryl gathering the cavalry/today!Carol.

If for no other reason than I've gone back to MY original thought, that Beth ain't gon' break. And the only reason she'd be hiding in the bushes from her people would be because she was broken. And our girl weren't broke before, despite everything ('I AM strong', *Dawn*!) and now she's got Carol with her. Our girls are gunna be fine. I think. For now. In any case, we've got Glenn and Maggie to /o\ at this wk apparently...... :(

*clings you some more* *wills day to hurry up and be over*

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oh god - THREE comments whut... im_ridiculous November 6 2014, 11:36:25 UTC
Because, also?!? This:

Thus, we have parallels showing super-clear contrast between a community built on the principles of giving to others, and one built on the principles of demanding from others - the fundamental question of who owes what to who. One thrives on and filters in the strengths of others (and calls the zombies "walkers"), one is threatened by and filters out the strengths of others (and calls the zombies "rotters"; ahh walker-resemblence motif, hello again).

IS ALL OF THE THINGS. ALL THESE COMPARISONS, but dude. Way to distill it, seriously. I love your brain. Don't ever change. :D

Oh! And yes all the biblical motif stuff that's cropping up now. OH! And the Peter-denies-Christ thing....... because of course... he DID have a choice, actually, Steven, as it happens... but it was the self-sacrificial one (for which he was forgiven because, y'know, that's kinda A Thing in Christianity, just sayin). But you, dear Steven.... are not much the type for the self-sacrificial, methinks. And therefore... NO FORGIVENESS FOR YOU ( ... )

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Re: oh god - THREE comments whut... themonkeytwin November 24 2014, 05:40:57 UTC
Okay, trying to catch up before MOAR EPISODES, and because energy, but I'll just quickly start here because OMG I have no problem knowing which side I'm erring on when it comes to Steve. UGH. He made Beth into a murderer. It's not on her, at all, and at the same time, there's now blood on her hands, and especially going by Tyreese and Carol's struggles, I don't think that's something that's going to go lightly on her. (Mind you, she already got blood on her hands by her choice to obey and help hold Joan down to save her life (with the callback to the visual of blood running down her palm while her other hand stemmed the flow from her own suicide attempt), and that is on her - obeying orders doesn't stop you from being wrong in doing so.) He violated her innocence and denied her meaningful choice in order to serve himself - he may talk prettier, and justify it's so he can protect her too, and that might have been the first time he ever crossed that line, instead of just turning a blind eye or protesting ineffectually, and all those ( ... )

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