The Walking Dead: I'll TELL you how, buster.

Oct 08, 2014 21:33

Because I finally watched the fourth season of The Walking Dead, and I never got around to talking about the third season, and despite the record evident on this very journal, I do actually want (and even sometimes try!) to finish things I said I would might. (Although there's, like, A LOT to talk about for the series overall before delving into ( Read more... )

battlestar gafraktica, musetastic: character stuff, category: ... huh, storyworks, daryl is awesome always forever the end., we could be yelling by now, i am of the people of the long wind, musetastic: tv/episode, category: wha?, category: uh no, internet confuddlery, the walking dead, unrepentantly opinionated

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TWD rants and ramblings begin in five, four, three, two.... im_ridiculous October 19 2014, 07:12:15 UTC
Aiming for single comment because Other NittyGritty posts and things could quickly get outta control!

Firstly: I love your brain like whoa. Dunno where to start... how bout just getting the YOU'RE WATCHING THE SHOW WRONG, PEOPLE bits out of the way?

If their development sometimes appears cyclical it's because they're on a downward spiral
This. As we've discussed, the 'badly written/no character development' criticism BAFFLES me. Yes, I had the benefit of bingewatching. Yes, that makes it easier to see arcs and throughlines. But people. This is basic stuff.

I'm not raging at casual viewers here, or even really fandom, much as it frustrates me, because fandom's gon' fandom. It's the people writing (at least sometimes for money) reviews/articles intended for broad consumption.

Even if the devolution arc weren't SO LITERAL (which it is), as you say, we know how to obsessively track and discuss the most minute details of our week-by-week shows if we believe it's worth our while. We should reasonably expect reviewers'/mainstream ( ... )

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Re: TWD rants and ramblings begin in five, four, three, two.... themonkeytwin October 25 2014, 09:06:57 UTC
Don't mind me, just finally catching up with replies :) And don't mind this, it just became a rambling bunch of probably-not-helpful thoughts because I've been going around and around on what you point out and I don't think it's gonna get any more coherent, so here goes!

the 'badly written/no character development' criticism BAFFLES me. Yes, I had the benefit of bingewatching. Yes, that makes it easier to see arcs and throughlines. But people. This is basic stuff....
THIS IS BEAUTIFUL BUT NOT PARTICULARLY SUBTLE STORY CONSTRUCTION, PEOPLE.

Right? ALL THIS. I've been going trying to figure out just what exactly the fuck, because ... what exactly the fuck? And I CANNOT nail it down. (Although it's mixing into some other wider thoughts on storytelling that'll probably become yet another post, although thankfully this time NOT about TWD or anything specific.) Like, it feels like some kind of freak combination of factors, reinforcing each other. Something to do with expectations and the wider context and the public conversation that's ( ... )

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Re: TWD rants and ramblings begin in five, four, three, two.... im_ridiculous November 2 2014, 08:15:02 UTC
OMG I JUST MANAGED TO NAVIGATE OFF PAGE AND LJ DELETED EVERYTHING I JUST TYPED. ... Maybe it'll make me be more concise this time. HA! But no really, GODAMMIT.

Right. Deep breaths. Because YES. THIS:
comparing it to other Acclaimed Shows.
to me, it feels like people coming from a Rembrandt self-portrait, and then dismissing a Van Gogh for being inferior.EXACTLY. OMG. I actually think that's a perfect analogy. I am so unbelievably sick of, and bored with, the reductive comparative criticism TWD is invariably saddled with. I mean, comparative criticism is fine, in its place, and it's an interesting and valid form of criticism. But it's not the ONLY form of criticism. If anything though, it is also, in my opinion (ha!), an even MOAR hyper-subjective form of criticism because it's not just evaluating a piece of art against what that art is trying to be, but against art with completely OTHER intentions and goals, which consequently means a reviewer is applying their own taste to two completely separate things and judging between them, ( ... )

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Re: TWD rants and ramblings begin in five, four, three, two.... themonkeytwin November 24 2014, 04:07:58 UTC
OKAY SO I MIGHT NEED TO VENT SOME MOAR except it's also kind of just ludicrous and I mostly just want to point and laugh and roll my eyes. But also reply a little bit because I was meaning to and then LIFE.

So, continuing Cracked's stellar roll, fucking David Wong has got up on his soap box to lecture about how TWD hates humans. I wasn't going to read it because OMFG, but then later in a somewhat more tolerant mood I gave it a go because Wong is frequently insightful - and then he occasionally misses the point so hard I get secondhand whiplash. THIS WOULD BE ONE OF THAT. By a few paragraphs in, all I was wondering was whether he actually watches the show, or just wanted to preach away on his own hobbyhorse. I ended up skimming, trying to find content that would change that impression, but when the first two subtitles are #4. When Shit Goes Wrong, Only the Badass Killing Machines Will Survive and #3. Communities Are Cool and All, but in a Crisis It's Every Man for Himself and the content of those points only veer off even more wrong- ( ... )

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