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[themonkeytwin]

Apparently, I'm not done with Sherlock thoughts just yet. Mostly because I've actually been reading through some of the theories and reactions and stuff on the tv tropes entry and its subpages, and it's stirred up thoughts I forgot to mention. (It's weird, the "fridge brilliance" entries are almost entirely intriguing and/or enriching; the "fridge

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[fannishliss]

I like Sherlock, and I love John, but I hate Moriarty, and I find Sherlock's obsession with Moriarty kind of sickening. The way that Moriarty stimulates Sherlock's brain grosses me out tbh. I'm like, awesome, defeat him, but don't get off on it so much! Fine too, whether or not you care about the victims... but just to get so excited about the game afoot and to dismiss the victims is unsettling to me

[themonkeytwin]

but just to get so excited about the game afoot and to dismiss the victims is unsettling to me.

Fair enough. I mean, I think it was intended to come off that way, so if that is genuinely offputting then of course the story/character won't work for you. I don't know what you've picked up about the second season, but the one of the main underlying threads is how Sherlock is changing (albeit slowly) through John's influence, and how that impacts all his other relationships. So hopefully that will be more satisfactory for you!

like the movie Seven, which I could have done without for my whole life.

Agreed, totally.

I guess I don't really warm to the idea that John might be Sherlock's weaknessWhich is really one of the ideas they're playing with: what exactly constitutes weakness? Are you stronger not caring (Moriarty), caring only according to strict principles (Mycroft), learning to care to where it changes your principles and actions (Sherlock), or being undyingly loyal (John)? I mean, I have my suspicions on where they'll draw the

[themonkeytwin]

You're certainly not alone! It feels so weird not to have seen it mentioned anywhere, but then I don't go travelling too far abroad in this fandom, so I thought maybe that was it. It's probably on tumblr somewhere.

That's going to be the real reveal of S3 - not whether it was planned, but how much and by who. And they've got to strike a satisfactory balance, because if the Holmes brothers are reavealled to be too much in control, it cheapens Sherlock's apparent growth in response to the situation he finds himself in. Let me know when you post the fic, I'd love to read it!

[themonkeytwin]

I have no idea about tumblr. It seems like a colossal waste of time, to be honest, which is why I'm always glad when my more savvy friends are able to find the fun things and point me in that direction. They tend to have good taste.

Love to show you my fic when it's finished. Thank you for being interested!

Of course! If nothing else, it's a fascinating thing to explore, and I know I'm not going to have time, so I'm really glad someone is! :)

[bitterlimetwist]

You were not kidding about Sherlock eating your brain. I love how much thought you've given this. I love your brain, okay? I haven't given it nearly as much, and I watched it a couple of months ago so I'm a little fuzzy on the details, but I thought Mycroft let Moriarty go as part of a plan, pretty much exactly as you describe. I thought it was kind of spelled out at the end there? I think I need a rewatch.

Re: bookends in A Scandal in Belgravia. That is very cool. I really liked that episode, probably because I found Irene a more interesting (or maybe just less annoying) antagonist than Moriarty. Sherlock fandom completely missing the point on her did not surprise one bit. Ah fandoms, always so predictable.

Your description of John in the previous post reminded me of someone, and then bingo Hurt Locker. ;p

I want to live in Irene's house. It's so gorgeous. /shallow

[themonkeytwin]

It did! It ate my brain! And there were no leftovers!

I thought it was kind of spelled out at the end there?

See, I thought it was kind of the most logical assumption, although I was of course rather distracted by other things (oh John, I will hold you!) at the time and wasn't checking the integrity of the theory. Rewatch! Rewatch and tell me what you think! (Does that give you an idea? It gives me an idea. *stares fixedly at you

[bitterlimetwist]

Does that give you an idea? It gives me an idea. *stares fixedly at you*

It does. But maybe it's the wrong one. *stares back and raises an eyebrow*

Scandal was sparkly and bubbly, like champagne. The stakes were high, but not as high as Reichenbach, and there was so much delight in the way Irene and Sherlock were circling each other.

Moriarty reminded me of the Joker in The Dark Knight (not my favourite thing in the world, tbh). There's was bit too much of that lunacy and look-at-me-creating-chaos, even though Moriarty obviously has different motivations.

I really shouldn't go on like this until I rewatch. I may change my mind completely.

Oh, those chandelier-style lamps. Oh, that black wallpaper in her bedroom. *drools*

[themonkeytwin]

I was going to say about the Joker! Yes, absolutely. I mean, I don't know Moriarty's characterisation in the books, so I don't know which comes from where. But that kind of completely chaotic character pretty much reached its peak with The Dark Knight. (I didn't like it that much either.) I mean, I like that Moriarty is a thoroughly British (Irish...?) character, that nothing he does rings false for that nationality. He's not aping the American version. But it's still just not all that interesting. And part of that has to be that even though he's set up as someone who Sherlock could potentially turn into, we all know he's just not going to, so there's no tension there, either. In fact, in spite of all the damage he can do, he just comes across as kind of pathetic, especially when compared to the far richer life that Sherlock has half-adopted, half-stumbled into

[workerbee73]

OK, now you've just got me watching all the little snippety snippets I can find on youtube. OH MAY, WHERE ARE YOU???

[themonkeytwin]

Oh dear. Don't worry, it'll be here soon! I really hope it doesn't disappoint once it does. *worried face*

[lmx_v3point3]

Awesome. I hadn't even considered Irene's involvement that far back, but it makes such perfect sense, and closes that whole scene in a much more logical way than 'oh yeah, I'm gonna just go away now...'

I am convinced there's a lot more going on with Mycroft than we know at this point. And I really like him as a complete bastard, just one with better social skills than Sherlock (which potentially makes him a worse sociopath...) like most politicians. Regarding Moriarty's body - someone somewhere (sorry I fail on references today) pointed out that there was no mention of the dead storyteller on the roof in the newspaper - which would have hightened the sense of the spectacular, which papers never fail to do. So that suggests they didn't find the body... for whatever reason.

http://popcultureprodigy.tumblr.com/post/19800067891/holmesiswheretheheartis-pretended-to-shoot

[themonkeytwin]

I just rewatched the first part of "Scandal", and discovered it's about as directly implied as it can be; there's an "answer cut", with Sherlock posing the question of who could have changed Moriarty's mind, and a cut straight to Irene hanging up her phone. Like so many other things on this show, easy to miss if you look away for even a second! And of course in all the excitement I must have registered it, moved on, took it as assumed, then got confused about my own take on the situation when no one else thought it worthy of mention. Idek. I blame cheekbones. Those are cheekbones that can carry a lot of blame.

Honestly, they've left themselves open for a lot of different options at this point. I don't think they'll disappoint. I've come to really like each of the episodes so far, I doubt they'll drop the ball now.