life is good, im alive and well, happy and together. but i need your help!

Dec 10, 2007 00:08

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ohsami December 10 2007, 06:39:11 UTC
Obviously I am pro-life and feel that every person should have the oppurtunity to live the life they were intended to live. BUT abortion can't be put in a immoral or moral category in my opinion. I know I am not a scholar or philospher but in terms of health or age, you really need to take that into consideration. Rape, Accidents at 16 or even your own life. Immoral would be the case if a 26 year old woman felt she wasn't "ready" or didn't want it. Moral would be a teenager who has been raped or even just not ready. I am pretty sure when people abort a child the debate of weither its moral or immoral is the last thing on their mind unless they are really religious. If they feel that abortion is immoral they wouldn't ever be in the position. But I would say that 75% of abortions in America are just taken care of without any of that thought. It's something people usually resort to without any morals in the back of their heads. I don't know.

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Are you really pro-life? thegoose December 10 2007, 15:25:07 UTC
Are you sure you know what that means? Because your descriptive response, clealry indicates that you are pro-choice. Do you disagree with the statement that a woman should have the right to choose whether or not she should keep an unwanted pregnancy? Because I think that the legalities of whether or not she should isn't the issue, regardless of circumstance. I think the gray area can sucessfully be eliminated, and in doing so, we face a yes or no question in terms of our own, personal ethics. Taboos aside. Politics aside. The question I am nudging comes down to the cold hard fact of whether or not it is okay to kill an unborn fetus? Regardless of whether or not the woman was raped, whether or not she actually wants to share her body, whether or not the pregnancy is intended, does it really matter? The issue at hand is whether or not we have an actual SAY in if that unborn fetus should have the potential future taken away from it. The potential growth inside the uterus; the potential sprouting of fingers and toes; the potential release ( ... )

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Re: Are you really pro-life? ohsami December 10 2007, 22:12:14 UTC
I'm stumped. I guess its just not our choice and that makes it immoral. But it could have never ever been our choice, thats impossible. But it also could be moral because it's what the two people who made us decide, for the better of the child or for the worse.

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fremenblood December 10 2007, 12:10:28 UTC
Immoral (and unethical for that matter), there are difficult situations (as your sister pointed out) and when given a legal option, people will take it. That is the reason it shouldn't be a legal option.

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thegoose December 10 2007, 15:31:21 UTC
Exactly. It's not a legal issue at hand, because I suppose I could say, from a personal standpoint as a woman in America, that if I were to become pregnant, by whichever circumstances, (with the exception of me mothering the next divine son, haha) I would probably choose to have an abortion. I am a 21 year old student who still has a lot of life to live, and an incredible career to pursue. Having a child would literally ruin my life at this age. But it's not the fact that I have the opportunity that matters. It's not a prolife prochoice issue. It's that, regardless of my own reasoning behind aborting the child, and despite the period of remorse or depression that may come from my actions, it still does not make the fact that taking an unborn fetus' life is ethical and moral. That unborn fetus, that lives inside me, will become, and develop and entire person different from myself, so do I have the right to make an ultimate decision of life or death, from someone who isn't myself? We cannot choose that for anyone else in life, and our ( ... )

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crazyrican December 10 2007, 14:12:08 UTC
yes its immoral to kill a fetus but im totally pro choice. in the instances let's say if a girl gets raped and then she's pregnant why should she have to deal with that trauma by seeing her belly grow and a child come out.i personally i've known a couple girls who have abortions and it really messes up anyones mind. a friend of mine was in a relationship with a guy who had a fiance on the side. my friend she got pregnant, but doctors for the last 10-15 years kept telling her it was going to be impossible.so what does she do? after careful consideration and realization she cant come to drips with raising the child without a father. she has an abortion. from the day she had this abortion now going on 2 months she's distant, cold, angry, rarely returns phone calls when she was a phone talker ( ... )

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thegoose December 10 2007, 15:35:52 UTC
Thank you for sharing the story. Anyone can argue about abortion all they want, but it's very difficult to understand for those who have never been put into that situation. Your friend was placed in a horrible, and emotionally draining situation, that could never be reversed, and has changed her life forever. Yet, at the same time, I have some friends, who have had several abortions, and think nothing of it. But unfortunatly, it's not how the situation moves the individual that dictates whether or not the abortion itself is moral or immoral. I relate back to the cold hard fact that a potential life is being eliminated, and regardless of whether we have the right to give or not give the unborn fetus life, is it truly moral to have such a say over an individual other than ourselves.

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jetblackcyanide December 10 2007, 22:28:07 UTC
coat hanger babies... I'm all for it! oh but, obviously, not the plastic kind. it's gotta be those wirey, get caught to the sides of your ovaries and cause internal bleeding, kind of hanger. man, I could sure go for some Doritos right now.

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forgivenskeptic December 11 2007, 18:50:51 UTC
Peter Singer is a moral philosopher who makes a pretty interesting argument that abortion is moral. If I remember correctly, he based it around what constitutes personhood (rationality & self-consciousness) and argues that abortion, and possibly even infanticide, is moral. I don't know if I fully support his argument, but it was quite interesting and maybe worth looking in to.

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