Slashy Nominations 128: Small Fandoms Well Pursued

[thefourthvine]

I have a feeling I'm going to regret this. But, see, recently liviapenn reminded me that I have been remiss in my duties as a fan. Specifically, I have neglected my Fannish Heritage. (Capitals inserted to make the topic seem more important. Also, I figure this way I'm enhancing the chances that soon a course called that will be offered for credit at

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[darthfox]

i wouldn't get too hung up on the spelling. Mc, Mac, tomato, tomahto, you know? i mean, ewan mcgregor is scottish, isn't he, and yet witness the lack of 'a'. just to take one example that leaps to mind.

[thefourthvine]

I just experienced a brief but excruciating moment in which my brain tried to combine Duncan Macleod, tomatoes, Conner and Murphy MacManus, Ewan McGregor, and your user name ("a list of things I don't normally lick in public") into one coherent entity. And then I got a fatal exception error. But I will tell you this about the conglomerate: it was juicy. And filled with Scots and Irishmen.

Um. Time for bed, I'm thinking. That comment made no sense at all.

But, yes, okay, I see your point with the McGregor. It's just - I have to look up his name every time I type it because my brain wants to make it MacGregor. (Overexposure to Peter Cottontail in my youth is probably the cause there, I'm thinking.) And now I've got the reverse problem with the Brothers [Disputed]Manus, damn them.

Perhaps I should just post a style sheet over my computer and do some extra pranayama tonight.

(Oh, and totally off-topic - do you know IPA? Or some local equivalent?)

[darthfox]

first four grafs: hee!

fifth paragraph: [raises eyebrow] i will forbear to wave my credentials in your face, and simply say yes, i do know IPA. :-)

[thefourthvine]

Not questioning your credentials! It's just that, for all I know, all the really cool linguists just laugh haughtily when IPA is mentioned. It's been years since I learned it, and even then it was in an anthropology class. It could be that proper modern linguistics is done entirely using little tick marks on the back of cocktail napkins.

So my question for you (well, actually, I have another one, but it's dependent on a) me figuring out how to put IPA into a fic and b) finishing the fic: is there an IPA font/program/applet for download or web use somewhere, like there's formula makers that you can download? Because, seriously, I've got no chance of making those marks in a drawing program; I can't even recognizably produce my own name in those things.

Huh. And now I'm wondering why Daniel Jackson doesn't keep his field journals in IPA. Wouldn't that make more sense?

[daegaer]

I'd be more inclined to spell the name McManus, which is the normal Irish spelling. I haven't seen the film, though, so can't say how it's spelled there.

[thefourthvine]

Things explode! Things are shot! Bad people are taken down with extreme prejudice and altarboy Latin! There is humor and plot holes and much action. And yet I'm strangely comfortable with it. I own it, even, and would gladly burn you a copy. Except I'm not sure it's your kind of movie, and also the Irish-American accents might make your brain explode. Still, let me know if you want one - we could solve this whole thing once and for all. By gum, unless I mean begorrah. Or hoots. Or, for all I know, barsteds. Damn. Where's a stereotypically, excessively ethnic exclamation when you need it?

(And thank you for the confirmation of the normal Irish spelling. These boys are...well, not normal by anyone's standards, but it's hard to picture them having an atypical spelling of their Irish last name.)

[daegaer]

Hoots and begorrah, sure wouldn't I be lovin a copy of this fine pace o' cinematic drama? Thank yeh, thank yeh very much!

*tugs forelock while dancing a merry jig while quaffing a pint o plain and gnawing on a spud*

[thefourthvine]

*worriedly eyes daegaer, who has never acted like this before*

But, seriously, you'll love BDS. Explosions and twins and Latin and the best and gayest FBI guy ever. (And I do mean canonically gay.) Where shall I send it? (If you'd rather email: thefourthvine at livejournal dot com will always find me, thanks to the wiley marketing strategies of the LJ folks). And do you have an all-region player, or would you like me to convert it?

[cimness]

well, star trek: tos is my one true fandom, and i have the dvd sets, but no way to rip dvds or anything, so i can't send you the episodes. however, i'm capping every episode as i get to it and making slashy moment recaps (although since the discovery of sga my watching has been on hiatus). the image links through 1x04 are currently broken, but there's still about half the first season's worth of recaplets and images, 16 posts' worth, under this tag here. (there's a lot of canonical support for k/s, yeah--mainly of the general buddy-show kind, but also of the flirting kind.)

[jacquez]

I mean, just for-example, there's the time in Shore Leave when Kirk has a cramp in his back and the pretty yeoman starts to rub it for him and he assumes that Spock is.

On the bridge.

And then the LOOK on his face when he realizes it's NOT Spock.

ah ha ha ha.

[cimness]

that scene's in my recaps. i think the exact dialogue is "push. push harder. dig it in there, mr-- ... --thank you, yeoman, that's sufficient."

[jacquez]

I mean, I *heart* S/Mc, too, but damn is K/S just sitting there on the screen all "hello. by the way, we are having mad sex0r all over the place. ignore the skirt-chasing of the human one."

[siriaeve]

McManus is the normal spelling here - it's normally 'Mac' for a Scottish surname, 'Mc' for an Irish surname. But it's definitely Irish; the surname of one of my near neighbours, actually.

[thefourthvine]

That is a very pretty icon. For the record.

And thank you for the confirmation of the Irish-Scottish issue in that there name. I think part of my problem is that I want to spell it McManus. It just looks better that way.

*grumbles*

*wonders why the screenwriters failed to consult her*

[siriaeve]

Thank you! I am quite fond of it. As is yours; I fully agree with the sentiment behind it. :)

I think part of my problem is that I want to spell it McManus. It just looks better that way.

It definitely looks more usual to me, but there are exceptions to every rule. And these characters are Irish-American, aren't they? (Presuming this is the Big Gay Twin Movie half my flist seems to love; I've never seen it, so I can't comment one way or the other) Which generally allows for a lot more variation in spelling. I've met plenty of Irish-American Kavanaughs and Cavanaughs, for instance, but I've only ever met Irish Kavanaghs.

Of course, there was no standardised Irish spelling or language before the 1920s, so you can just use that fact to handwave away all the orthographical confusions. *g*

*wonders why the screenwriters failed to consult her*An all too common failing, I'm afraid. Don't these people realise that if they hired fans, instances of plot holes, canonical blunders and logical inconsistencies would be at least halved?

[rochefort]

we found out his name is pronounced with a long E

I read this as, 'his name is preceded by a long E'. Which then translated in my head to "EeeeeeeeeMethos!!" Which is a pretty understandable reaction.

(And yes, my brain obviously alters prepositions where it sees fit.)

This is a worthy venture. Hopefully it'll reward you with new enthusiasms.

[thefourthvine]

EeeeeeeeeMethos

Which my brain instantly transformed into EmoMethos, or Emothos for short.

Which, I dunno. Is he emo? See, this is exactly why I need to embark on the Fannish Heritage Project! How can I not know if Methos is emo? Or woobie? He could be butch, for all I know!

*is ashamed*

liviapenn is clearly wise beyond her years. This Fannish Heritage thing is important. I see this now.

[laylah]

Methos is admirably non-emo, really, except in the hands of badfic writers. Duncan has his share of emo moments, as befit the Hero With A Tragic Destiny (see under: There Can Be Only One), but Methos largely provides snark and practicality. He's a fannish darling because he's so incredibly experienced (he's the oldest living Immortal) and because he's obviously completely amoral and has some fascinating skeletons in his closet (the Horsemen of the Apocalypse; Lord Byron; etc)

...You probably don't really need to watch the show in order to get a decent sense for who he is, which is most likely a relief as the show requires a very high tolerance for plot holes and low-budget effects.* killabeez hosts a lot of HL vids on her website, and just watching some of those might help you just fine. (Bonus helping points for me: there are also Star Trek vids on there, too

[thefourthvine]

Oh my god yes. By which I mean, I've seen the vids.

I have a tragic unrequited love for Killa. (And how does she repay me? By making me seriously consider Kirk/Spock. Because after watching those vids - well, I mean, I've seen what she can do in terms of out-of-context-ness in "Closer," but still, she makes them look oh my god so in love.)

Killa's vids are where Best Beloved, who watches vids with me (And displays highly irritating TV-fu in the process. We were watching this SV vid, and the Scene with the Car Crash, the Mouth-to-Mouth, and the Look on Lex's Face Like He Just Got Religion came on, and BB said to me, "Oh, I bet that's how they met." With no prior canon knowledge or anything. I wish I could do that.), learned of the strange appeal of Mr. Long E himself.

In addition to the vids you mentioned, every one of which is amazing - "Opportunities," all by itself, made us watch HL vids, because it was just so much fun, and it also gave me a pathetic love for Amanda - I'm also a big fan of "You Might Think," "The Ubiquitous