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From PokerNews live reporting of Day 1A of the PCA
# 14 minutes ago | Posted by donpeters
Controversy at Negreanu's Table
After the turn came the {A-Clubs} on a board of {A-Hearts} {10-Diamonds} {2-Hearts} {A-Clubs}, Daniel Negreanu called a bet of 2,200 from his opponent. The river completed the board with the {5-Clubs} and then this is where things got a little out of control.
First, Negreanu's opponent fired 4,000. Negreanu took some time and then tossed in a bunch of chips.
"Raise." announced the dealer.
Negreanu's opponent didn't hear the dealer announce the raise, nor did he see the raise as he began to turn over his hand. The player completed about 120 degrees of the full 180-degree rotation, showiing the {A-Diamonds} and one other card before the dealer abruptly stopped him. The player quickly put his hand back face down. The dealer let the player know the raise and the amount as Negreanu had made it 14,000 total.
Another moment passed before the player reraised to 29,000.
"Wait, what?!? I just saw your hand and now you're reraising?!? I saw your hand, you hit the five." said Negreanu, pointing to the {5-Clubs} that hit the river. "And now you raise? What if I have ace-ten? That's one of the more stupid plays you've made all day."
Negreanu then asked for the dealer to call for the floor because he wanted a ruling on the hand. The floor came over and the hand was explained. During the explanation, Negreanu told the floor, "He turned over his hand and I saw it. He had the ace of diamonds and either the five of spades or the four of spades."
Then, another player chimed in. This player was not involved in the hand and was seated directly to the right of Negreanu. "You didn't see his cards, you're wrong." mentioned the player to Negreanu. The player then looked at the floor staff and said, "There's something I need to tell you, but I can't tell you here in front of everyone because it will affect the hand." The floor and the player then stepped aside.
"Wait, wait, wait. Now I'm confused." said Negreanu.
"He's obviously going to tell the floor that you think you saw the cards, but you were wrong." mentioned yet another player at the table.
When the floor and the player returned, the floor asked Negreanu what he wanted to do. "I want to know what the ruling is. I want to know if his bet stands." said Negreanu.
The floor was mistaken that the player revealed his hand before he wanted to reraise. Once the floor got the story straight, it was ruled that the player could only call.
The player then revealed the nuts with {A-Diamonds} {10-Spades}. Indeed Negreanu was wrong in what he thought he saw. He quickly showed the table that he rivered the wheel and mucked his hand.
Negreanu's down to 70,000 after all of that.
My thoughts:
If indeed all the events of this hand have been accurately reported, I think this is a poor ruling and possibly poorer procedure. Also, again if everything here is accurate, I think Daniel's behaviour is appalling. But who knows; I wasn't there myself. Curious what you all think.
# 14 minutes ago | Posted by donpeters
Controversy at Negreanu's Table
After the turn came the {A-Clubs} on a board of {A-Hearts} {10-Diamonds} {2-Hearts} {A-Clubs}, Daniel Negreanu called a bet of 2,200 from his opponent. The river completed the board with the {5-Clubs} and then this is where things got a little out of control.
First, Negreanu's opponent fired 4,000. Negreanu took some time and then tossed in a bunch of chips.
"Raise." announced the dealer.
Negreanu's opponent didn't hear the dealer announce the raise, nor did he see the raise as he began to turn over his hand. The player completed about 120 degrees of the full 180-degree rotation, showiing the {A-Diamonds} and one other card before the dealer abruptly stopped him. The player quickly put his hand back face down. The dealer let the player know the raise and the amount as Negreanu had made it 14,000 total.
Another moment passed before the player reraised to 29,000.
"Wait, what?!? I just saw your hand and now you're reraising?!? I saw your hand, you hit the five." said Negreanu, pointing to the {5-Clubs} that hit the river. "And now you raise? What if I have ace-ten? That's one of the more stupid plays you've made all day."
Negreanu then asked for the dealer to call for the floor because he wanted a ruling on the hand. The floor came over and the hand was explained. During the explanation, Negreanu told the floor, "He turned over his hand and I saw it. He had the ace of diamonds and either the five of spades or the four of spades."
Then, another player chimed in. This player was not involved in the hand and was seated directly to the right of Negreanu. "You didn't see his cards, you're wrong." mentioned the player to Negreanu. The player then looked at the floor staff and said, "There's something I need to tell you, but I can't tell you here in front of everyone because it will affect the hand." The floor and the player then stepped aside.
"Wait, wait, wait. Now I'm confused." said Negreanu.
"He's obviously going to tell the floor that you think you saw the cards, but you were wrong." mentioned yet another player at the table.
When the floor and the player returned, the floor asked Negreanu what he wanted to do. "I want to know what the ruling is. I want to know if his bet stands." said Negreanu.
The floor was mistaken that the player revealed his hand before he wanted to reraise. Once the floor got the story straight, it was ruled that the player could only call.
The player then revealed the nuts with {A-Diamonds} {10-Spades}. Indeed Negreanu was wrong in what he thought he saw. He quickly showed the table that he rivered the wheel and mucked his hand.
Negreanu's down to 70,000 after all of that.
My thoughts:
If indeed all the events of this hand have been accurately reported, I think this is a poor ruling and possibly poorer procedure. Also, again if everything here is accurate, I think Daniel's behaviour is appalling. But who knows; I wasn't there myself. Curious what you all think.