wow, poker hand clusterfuck

[terrencechan]

From PokerNews live reporting of Day 1A of the PCA

# 14 minutes ago | Posted by donpeters

Controversy at Negreanu's Table

Comments

[brec]

Nothing happens -- the play of the hand continues -- but the player may be given a penalty. The penalty would be exile from the table for a certain number of subsequent hands or clock time.

I don't know why the winner wasn't allowed to raise.

[nsidestrate]

I fail to understand how revealing his hand in any way prejudices Daniel. The player should be allowed to raise regardless of when he displayed his hand. I've seen people expose their hand prematurely many times. Every time I've seen it happen, the guy is free to play his hand as best he can from that point forward. At the ME, I remember a guy exposing his hand pre-flop and played the whole hand with his cards face-up. But he could bet, raise and call whenever he wanted.

hm...

[nsidestrate]

He can call but he can not RE raise because his mistake of exposing his hole cards a liberty which is given to no one else! You can NOT expose your hole cards and play the entire hand intentionally, a good ruling would be your hand is DEAD!

No one told you to expose your hand! by exposing your Ace you prevented/ provided information to your opponent which he did not have before. By showing the A- Daniel knows he "might" have a boat.

Re: hm...

[nsidestrate]

I propose the poker corollary to Godwin's law where the invoking condition is saying "your hand is DEAD"

[walterzuey]

That sounds like a total angle on DN's part -- an info free-roll.

Imagine every river for the rest of your life saying, "His cards are {x, y}; does the raise stand?"

[walterzuey]

I agree that it sounds like an angle. Since I wasn't there I can't verify what took place but it doesn't surprise me at all that DN tried that move.

[tiltcity]

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I agree that this sounds like a total angle. I wasn't at the table so I can't verify what happened but if this actually happened, it doesn't surprise me at all that DN would try something like this.

[pimpofpoker]

A better question is why the fuck can't a poker player show his cards all he wants when it's HU. Allowing that would make TV poker 1000x better and would totally expose a few of these "pros" as tell giving tiltable babies.

Someone tell me how DN still has chips. He's the most obvious hot house orchid at the table who knows full well he can't beat a cash game unless he angles it.

[testing4l]

All things considered, after a miscue like that, I'd want a ruling on whether or not play went on. Especially if I thought I was about to win a significant pot on the basis of that miscue. That doesn't strike me as negative behavior.

I think the floor ruling was wrong here. The play should have been allowed to continue as normal.

[brec]

CardPlayer has video of the hand here.

[mathew5000]

Did Daniel ever say “That's one of the more stupid plays you've made all day” as reported by PokerNews? If he did, it was cut from the video.

In any event, terrible decision from the floor. There’s just no basis for ruling that the player can call but not reraise.