Cops and Teachers? THEY Don't Pay Taxes!

[paft]

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Wisconsin State Assemblyman Robin Vos lets us all know what he thinks of those taxpaying Wisconsin citizens who work in the public sector:

The reality is they haven’t had to pay for these things, they’re upset about doing it now, and the taxpayers are the ones who definitely understand this because they get it, they’ve been doing this in the

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[paft]

"Us?"

Those many cops, teachers and firemen in that crowd may not live in YOUR reality...

[paft]

Who's "us?"

Those are mighty big crowds, Jeff.

[mrbogey]

What pisses me off is I work for a unionized company that is very reasonable so far when it comes to pay and benefits for union workers. We're a nation-wide company and yet people at every turn seem to not consider it as an advantage and crow about how wonderful our non-unionized competitors, who treat their workers like trash, are.

So yea, if you're pro-union, unless you have a unionized company for your telecom service then shut your trap about supporting unions.

I've supported American workers at every opportunity I could and I'm tired of foreign car driving people who don't buy union telling me I'm not supporting American workers because I vote conservatively.

[enders_shadow]

Many conservative voters I've met have had a strong dislike for unions. So, you might not be supporting unions by voting conservative.

That said, I don't drive any kind of car, foreign or domestic.

[mrbogey]

'So, you might not be supporting unions by voting conservative.'

A good stable economy helps all workers.

[enders_shadow]

A) You would need to show that voting conservatives leads to a stable economy
B) A stable economy doesn't imply that it's stable in a good sense. Stability can mean it's stable and crappy.

[anfalicious]

OMG. I thought only Fox was so horribly right wing biased that it had become satire. The host saying "are you undemocratic" to Dean; the setting, Dean, the "Ivory Tower Elitist" with all his books, whilst the other dude is out there in the street, battling the unruly mob; "are they trying to drown you out?", as if they're trying to stop him from having his say. Umm, no, they're protesting, they tend to be loud.

I like how these protests are destroying democracy, but the Tea Party ones are FFFRRRREEEEEEEEEDDDDOOOOMMM Derp herp herp.

No wonder you can't have a reasonable political conversation in the US, there is no reasonable news sources that are just trying to convey information. It's all cheerleading and infotainment.

[whoasksfinds]

I like how these protests are destroying democracy, but the Tea Party ones are FFFRRRREEEEEEEEEDDDDOOOOMMM

actually the question was about the politicians fleeing the state to prevent a vote from taking place.

[_wanderer_]

Somewhat off-topic, but tangential to what's been going on:

What people fail to discuss when they claim that public sector employees get more benefits than private sector ones is that maybe these people do a job that is more important and thus deserve more benefits. Maybe this is not widely believed in our profit-obsessed culture, but each individual teacher and policeman has more responsibility than the average person in the private sector and should therefore receive more compensation, assuming equal levels of training and experience

[anfalicious]

They've also spent decades trading wages for benefits so that governments of the day could have now, pay later. Now it's later...

Let this be a lesson to workers, take the wages today, even if it bankrupts the company, there will be no tomorrow when it comes to benefits.

[_wanderer_]

Now it's later...

An Enron analogy is in here somewhere.

[anfalicious]

Yep, it seems that these pensions and health benefits that people are saying the ebil unions are destroying America with were actually just a ponzi scheme, with the workers as the suckers.

[underlankers]

The truly horrible bit about his wanting to play at Victorianism is that this deficit would not exist if he wasn't trying to cut taxes *and* maintain the existing infrastructure, if without means to pay for it. Had Wisconsin retained ordinary tax levels this issue would not exist. It does not, and so a governor wanting to use soldiers on strikers is hailed as a champion of liberty and justice for all. His actions also violate the Wagner Act, but then the GOP only cares about Law and Order when out of power.

[whoasksfinds]

Had Wisconsin retained ordinary tax levels this issue would not exist.

not true

[anfalicious]

So the state can't cover a minor short term shortfall in funds... This irritates me. When there government has excess funds it's all "TAX CUTS!" but when there's a shortfall in funds it's "SERVICE CUTS!". People either need to be ready for tax increases in bad times (a bad idea) or be willing to put surpluses into future funds so that services don't need to be cut in bad years.

[whoasksfinds]

we definitely need to get better at saving money.